It was all a fever dream guys, don't know what you are all on about...<whistles and kicks floor>

[Shedmistress]

Stephen Whittle the Ex President of WPATH declares it never happened.

And if it did happen you made it up to make her and her ilk look bad.

Two things spring to mind in Whittle's case.

Hating being female and hating females seem fairly closely connected.

Misogyny is so common among men that adopting it would be an excellent form of performative masculinity.

No sturdy pyjamas there 🙄

The narrative is, I believe, that people can be 'trans' from conception. I'm pretty sure I heard Webberly say that. Will need to check.

Oops Benjamin Butter slipped up there. He stated that a two year old has no concept of ‘either of those two things’ (referring to having a baby and being a girl) which contradicted his earlier proposition and so he came out with a flailing attack.

“No two year old has any concept of sex or gender” - Exactly. But how very ‘transphobic’ Butters, the truth has a way of slipping out when you least expect it.

Bloody hell 😱

I wonder if Primark does a chain mail range of PJs. Or perhaps a pair with a chastity belt built in.

It is unbelievable that this will to whisper two year olds and children in general towards being trans is still alive and busily at work. It is so shocking. He has no idea of the findings of various reports especially Cass.

It is also a lie he is spinning that all gender questioning young people or even older people felt that way all their lives.

I don't think it was Whittle who made the sturdy pyjamas comment. I think Whittle always posted under some variation of her real name, as in this thread that she started where she talked about having sex with a scout on a mixed sex scout/guide camp.

Where are all the trans men? An Answer. | Mumsnet

This is the sturdy pyjamas comment.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3314566-another-girlguiding-update

Right, I've done the transcript of Webberly's interview.

It's right at the fucking end, of course.

'But when do you think transgender adults become transgender? Do you think it
happens at 18 or do you think it actually is their identity from within them from whenever they were conceived? '

That would be a terrible promise to make to.a child.

I think "I will do anything (reasonable and within my power) to keep you safe" is more common

Whittle has admitted that she isn't an effective parent. She leaves the parenting to her wife and boasts that she can't even remember her children's names. She's a real man, you see.

She has children?!?

Words fail me.

I think her wife is the biological mother and she adopted them.

I was thinking that it is outrageous that Webberly claims a child has a trans identity from conception, but then realised that WPATH have no lower age limits for trans healthcare. Apparently on direct instructions from the US gov.

Article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/25/health/transgender-minors-surgeries.html

Excerpt from WPAtH FAQs (pdf so can't link):

' A previous version of the WPATH Standards included specific ages for medical procedures. Why were those ages removed in the SOC-8? Minimum ages for providing gender-affirming medical care were removed from the SOC-8 and replaced by strengthened criteria to help codify the framework that enables every TGD adolescent the opportunity to get their appropriate medical needs met at the appropriate time; these changes to the SOC-8 reflect the fact that one-size-fits-all health care models, especially transgender care, are not accurate or appropriate for every individual person.

Prior to its September 2022 release, WPATH announced a public open comment period to the draft SOC-8 in December 2021 through January 2022. This comment period allowed input and feedback from professionals in the field from around the world who were concerned that the listing of ages would lead to further limitations to care by creating or reinforcing arbitrary boundaries to care and/or by ignoring possible contributing health factors including mental health, family support, or other individual health needs.

After comments were reviewed and discussed by chapter authors and co-chairs, it was determined that the specific ages would be removed to ensure greater access to care for more people. What do medical experts say about these standards of care? Every major U.S. medical and mental health organization, including the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the American Psychological Association, plus global health organizations including the Endocrine Society, the Pediatric Endocrine Society, the Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine, and the World Medical Association, and the World Health organization support access to age-appropriate, individualized gender-affirming care for youth and adults.'

Wasn’t it that she couldn’t remember her children’s friends’ names rather than the names of her actual children? If I’ve got this wrong, that’s truly mind boggling

the specific ages would be removed to ensure greater access to care for more people

😶

Quite. I guess when you remember that ‘gender affirming care’ = a potential $1 million of profit per patient across their lifetime, it makes more sense.

I’m sure plenty of research has been done into the background, funding and supporters of WPATH but all of their board members make a living from harming vulnerable people in the name of ‘trans’.

Yes, you're right. It's in this thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3212371-Where-are-all-the-trans-men-An-Answer

I was thinking that it is outrageous that Webberly claims a child has a trans identity from conception

From conception? That's even more insane than Diane Ehrensaft who believes that babies can be trans.

IDK, in the context of 'trans' being a religious belief, it makes a sort of mad sense.

Wow that’s an interesting thread.

The following stood out to me - Whittle was talking about Girl Guides 11-15:
All children and parents (including trans child plus parent) are then reminded (as they should always be reminded before any residential event) that:

1. Barrier/emergency contraception is carried by the leaders, and girls who request it, will not be told off, or considered wrong or bad, but:

😱. Why the hell does she think it appropriate to bring up such a thing on a GG camp? And the circumstances that would even make it relevant.

and

In the UK there has only been one reported problem with a situation where a trans woman, wished to enter a female sauna (it was just after the Gender Recognition Act 2004 which was why we heard about this)
She was pre-genital surgery. We were all very surprised, until it was acknowledged that she was in the middle of a serious psychotic episode.
A month later she was abject about what she had done.

So Whittle and chums knew about a psychotic male who was using a female sauna but didn’t do anything about it?

In the UK there has only been one reported problem with a situation where a trans woman, wished to enter a female sauna (it was just after the Gender Recognition Act 2004 which was why we heard about this)
She was pre-genital surgery. We were all very surprised, until it was acknowledged that she was in the middle of a serious psychotic episode.
A month later she was abject about what she had done.

Jesus. Just the one psychotic man invading a women's sauna, then. Hey ho.

On that note, that Sauna that got struggle sessioned for holding a women's only session now has women only sessions that include anyone that fancies using them.

'Women’s sessions welcome all who identify as women, including transgender women, as well as non-binary individuals who feel comfortable in women-only spaces'

https://beachboxspa.co.uk/dei-policy/

But remember Whittle thinks it is all fine for girls to be having sex with scouts as she did when she went to camp.

People like this would say the same about sexuality, and they think it's the same kind of thing in both cases, biologically, even genetically, determined.

There’s a nice summary of the “prenatal hormone pathway error” theory (which in turn is one of the explanations proposed for the supposed “brain-body mismatch” in trans people) here:

www.city-journal.org/article/transgender-medicine-biological-bias-gender-affirming