It was all a fever dream guys, don't know what you are all on about...<whistles and kicks floor>

[Shedmistress]

Stephen Whittle the Ex President of WPATH declares it never happened.

And if it did happen you made it up to make her and her ilk look bad.

She’s also done another thread to confirm that children were indeed given puberty blockers for 12-18 months which if followed by x sex hormones as most were, means that the kids have been sterilised. Her wilful lack of dot joining is bizarre.

By 2021, according to evidence submitted o the appeal court in Bell v GIDS, the NHS Prescribed PBs to 8% of the approximately 9000 patients assessed ie around 700 service an average of 34 each year. Prescribed at an average age of 15 & 3/4yrs for 12 to 18 months max.
It prescribed correctly under strict clinical protocol as developed in Utrecht, PBs can prevent serious self harming behaviour in a gender incongruent adolescent, allow time for talking therapies, & relieve the child's stress level helping them to re-engage with family & school

if a girl/woman who has started her periods takes them for more than 6 months it can permanently put her in menopause, this fact is acknowledged in the leaflet that comes with them when given to women with endometriosis and is why there's a 6 month max limit on prescribing them for it.

Thank you for sharing this. I knew that the combination of PBs and cross-sex hormones led to sterilisation (hence referring to that being the faster pathway to it in my comment above) but I didn't know about this 6 month threshold.

So thinking back to my earlier comment, if a female (who identifies as a boy) goes to Gender GP, at 16 it's possible to receive cross-sex hormones plus PBs. Given it would be highly unusual not to have already started periods by this point, I think it's fair to assume that anyone following this pathway will be sterile within 6 months i.e. while still a child. So to Stephen's point.... Yes, Gender GP is currently advocating this. However, as per my previous comment, any 16 year old on the NHS route (i.e. without PBs) will need to wait ~5 years for the womb atrophy and associated sterility to kick-in from the testosterone alone.

Obviously I'm just thinking about right now, rather than historical stuff.

Given Stephen is trying to convince us that nobody ever supported this, it's great to see such a damning Community Note being slapped on. What better source document could there be than then WPATH information itself. Yes, Stephen our healthcare industry has been supporting this worldwide for years. And that's before you get a president of a charity taking her child for an orchidectomy.

What does Stephen think is the logical consequence of all this if it's not sterility? Enhanced fertility? Human evolution to mimic the way that amoebae reproduce? FFS.

It didn't happen.
And if it did happen, it didn't happen to children.
And if it did happen to children, it didn't happen to children in the UK.
And if it did happen to children in the UK, they must have come from a part of the UK where they weren't considered children.
And if they did come from a part of the UK where they weren't considered children, they must have travelled to a part of the UK where they weren't considered children.
And so on and so on...

Ultimately thought its the fault of the nasty feminists. Guaranteed.

Adding this Whittle posted on the 15th:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1989726357366899142.html

'1. 1971 GnRH agonists (PBs) discovered

1982 first used to lower sex hormones when treating hormone-sensitive cancers eg prostate & breast cancer. Still the most significant use of GnRH agonists

Mid-1980s were trialed to stop precocious puberty in kids age 0 to 11. This …

1. … is still the 2nd most common use of PBs

1990 Netherlands Utrecht GI clinic first used to pause puberty in trans youth.
TY must be

• at serious risk of significant self harm.
• have long term gender incongruence,
• supportive school, parents, & peers …

1. 2000 NHS GIDS first prescribes to pause puberty in gender incongruent young people

According to Cass by 2021 GIDS had seen 9000 young people

By 2021, according to evidence submitted o the appeal court in Bell v GIDS, the NHS Prescribed PBs to 8% of the..,

1. … approximately 9000 patients assessed ie around 700 service an average of 34 each year. Prescribed at an average age of 15 & 3/4yrs for 12 to 18 months max.

If prescribed correctly under strict clinical protocol as developed in Utrecht, PBs can prevent serious …

1. …, self harming behaviour in a gender incongruent adolescent, allow time for talking therapies, & relieve the child’s stress level helping them to re-engage with family & school

In UK were only used for those with pervasive long term gender incongruence at serious risk. '

So what she's saying is that infertility is just an unfortunate side effect of the blockers she advocates prescribing.

'it hardly ever happened'
'it wasn't the intention'

Omits to mention cross sex hormones or surgery, I note. Which as I posted above, have both been prescribed for/given to children. In the UK.

Hoardasurass In females it also prevents pubital development but if a girl/woman who has started her periods takes them for more than 6 months it can permanently put her in menopause.

It's worth remembering that for a variety of reasons puberty is starting earlier and earlier, so most girls will fall into the category described above.
Which means that all the 'benefits' of PBs acc to Prof Whittle:
If prescribed correctly under strict clinical protocol as developed in Utrecht, PBs can prevent serious …

1. …, self harming behaviour in a gender incongruent adolescent, allow time for talking therapies, & relieve the child’s stress level helping them to re-engage with family & school

only have 6 months to take effect.

Surely it's going to take more than 6 months for 'talking therapies, & relieve the child’s stress level helping them to re-engage with family & school'
to help a child so profoundly alienated from her own body that she thinks she is a boy? And as likely as not has other issues as well?

So what happens to a gender-confused girl after her 6 months on PBs? her body goes back to being female [I know it always was, but from her point of view..] and she is fine about it after all the talking therapies, or she continues taking the PBs and risks early menopause and sterility?

Well Webberly just said on the GB News interview that PB’s means a better sex life. Because the patient is alive, and feels better about themselves. So apparently that means they have better sex… and yet if they are lacking the ability to orgasm, where does that lead them?

There really is so much dismissal around these drugs. A group of adults are working really very hard to minimise the discussions about the harms of puberty blockers.

And pfft… 12 to 18 months max? Doesn’t the research indicate that 6 months is the maximum recommended?

Cross posted with MarieDeGournay.

Exactly this, over and over again. Paedophile.

Does anyone else remember that series Butterfly that was on a few years ago, with Anna Friel as the mum of a trans identifying 11 year old boy? The happy ending was him getting puberty blockers.

It hasn’t aged well.

I remember that, although I didn't watch it. Thank goodness, times have changed. And continue to change, hopefully.

Is this early onset dementia? Are there really that many ‘elderly’ transsexuals, or are we talking about 50/60 yr old transsexuals who’ve had surgery/hormone treatment?

I don’t know much more than I’ve written - it was flagged in the NHS audit and stuck with me.

Ok, thanks. It’s very interesting, and probably needs to be talked about more, along with the other negative side effects of cross-sex hormone use.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11837915/

'transgender women had lower cognitive functioning than cisgender groups, which was largely explained by mental/social health'

https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/news/study-suggests-memory-and-thinking-decline-in-transgender-adults/

'They found nearly one in six transgender adults report experience problems with cognition, compared to 1 in 10 cisgender adults.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/26895269.2024.2355232#abstract

'Older TGD people are also reported to be at an increased risk of dementia, which is partly due to high incidences of dementia-associated risk factors.

Correlation does not equal causation.

I’m sure I saw something by Elaine Miller on TG people with dementia forgetting they had transitioned and suffering huge distress @venusenvyxxcan you help?

I'm just sharing a few studies found by googling. I didn't make any assertions.

Indeed it doesn’t and it may be just a wild coincidence but equally it could be that interfering with your endocrine system and creating a massive hormone imbalance lasting for years has a negative effect on cognitive function?

Or maybe being mentally ill has an effect. Because to think you are the opposite sex, presupposes that you are mentally ill.

But, again, correlation does not imply causation.

True. Or both.

Mid-1980s were trialed to stop precocious puberty in kids age 0 to 11.

Whittle seems not to have done the most basic fact checking before making this statement.

Precocious puberty is when puberty begins before the age of 8 in girls or 9 in boys. No child above these ages would be treated for precocious puberty.