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BlueLegume · 2025-11-11T06:25:26+00:00

The MP Zarah Sultana of Your Party has posed with a new group called The Trans Liberation Group. All fine if she truly believes men can be women. The group are active on X with a small following. They have a website. [[https://transliberationgroup.org.uk https://transliberationgroup.org.uk]] They are also targeting students at universities to join Your Party. Again all fine if politics is the motive. Call me a cynic but I think students are very vulnerable and easily sucked into politics that look different. It feels like these Trans Liberation Group are trying to be less TRA and more mainstream. Either way they may suck in vulnerable groups. I also find ZS somewhat disingenuous. She raves about Palestine but rails against Israel. She does know that Palestine and Hamas would not support her stance on Trans people surely?

ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 14:11

Do you see how silly this is now?

Mate. Go and educate yourself, come back, and try harder.

ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 14:12

It's really important when we are considering 'arguments' like this we are radically honest with ourselves abut what we are hoping to find - and whether those hopes hinge on our comfortability around things we haven't experienced ourselves! If there's something you don't understand - ask! I hope this helps.

Have you the slightest idea how patronising and daft your post is? That's my question. Thanks in advance.

spannasaurus · 12/11/2025 14:14

If you are truly interested in the safety of women then please look into the actual number of assaults in women's only spaces in the UK carried out by trans women. You will find nothing

katie dolatowski attacked girls in female toilets

Karen White sexually assaulted women in a female prison

That's just two examples of transwomen assaulting women in, what should have been, female only spaces

ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 14:15

I just noticed that ebbbbbbb has dropped their post into a thread that has nothing to do with 'queer people and Palestine'. Is it a bot gone wrong?

MistyGreenAndBlue · 12/11/2025 14:19

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 11/11/2025 08:31

I’m guessing they want to be liberated from biology?

sometimes we all do innit?

anyone for a 40 and 50 something women’s liberation group? My first demand is that menopause related itchiness is made illegal at the first opportunity

Seconded! Also sleeplessness, broken inner thermostat and stiff muscles (or is that just me?)

Namelessnelly · 12/11/2025 14:28

ebbbbb · 12/11/2025 13:58

Hi, I came across these posts about queer people supporting Palestine and as a queer supporter of Palestine I want to make something very clear. My railing against the genocide and killing of children there is not contingent on their support of my lifestyle. That's not how making moral choices works. What is happening there is affecting queer people too - we exist everywhere no matter a government's stance on our existence. Those people do not deserve bombing and starvation. If you have a quick Google about the actual 'laws' surrounding being LGBTQ+ in Palestine, they might contradict your expectations too!

If you are truly interested in the safety of women then please look into the actual number of assaults in women's only spaces in the UK carried out by trans women. You will find nothing - I'd like to draw your attention to actual sexual assaults carried out by men (around 98% of them): there is much work to be done. When we demonise trans women, we blame one of the most marginalised groups in the UK for actual harm done by men - we put under threat the bodily autonomy of cis women (female at birth) who do not fit into societies standards of what a woman should be/look like. This disproportionately affects women of colour and has already lead to the humiliation and abuse of gender-non conforming women (butch lesbians, to name one group) in toilets. These arguments also leave a gaping hole when it comes to trans men (female at birth, now male), who in this instance will need to use female toilets. In the way that trans women are often indistinguishable from cis women, trans men often look like 'blokes' - this will make 'sneaking into the toilet by men who say they are trans' completely doable under the guise of being 'trans men'. Do you see how silly this is now?

Only 0.5% of people in the UK are trans. They want to be able to live their lives with dignity.

It's really important when we are considering 'arguments' like this we are radically honest with ourselves abut what we are hoping to find - and whether those hopes hinge on our comfortability around things we haven't experienced ourselves! If there's something you don't understand - ask! I hope this helps.

Well you go and tell Katie Dawalskis victims they were making it up then. Go on…. I dare you.

SionnachRuadh · 12/11/2025 14:31

ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 14:15

I just noticed that ebbbbbbb has dropped their post into a thread that has nothing to do with 'queer people and Palestine'. Is it a bot gone wrong?

All we are missing is "I would honestly like to know y'all's opinion on this"

nicepotoftea · 12/11/2025 14:32

spannasaurus · 12/11/2025 14:14

If you are truly interested in the safety of women then please look into the actual number of assaults in women's only spaces in the UK carried out by trans women. You will find nothing

katie dolatowski attacked girls in female toilets

Karen White sexually assaulted women in a female prison

That's just two examples of transwomen assaulting women in, what should have been, female only spaces

Completely irrelevant anyway, because if you include some men, you include all men.

It’s the removal of the boundary that increases risk.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 12/11/2025 15:10

ebbbbb · 12/11/2025 13:58

Hi, I came across these posts about queer people supporting Palestine and as a queer supporter of Palestine I want to make something very clear. My railing against the genocide and killing of children there is not contingent on their support of my lifestyle. That's not how making moral choices works. What is happening there is affecting queer people too - we exist everywhere no matter a government's stance on our existence. Those people do not deserve bombing and starvation. If you have a quick Google about the actual 'laws' surrounding being LGBTQ+ in Palestine, they might contradict your expectations too!

If you are truly interested in the safety of women then please look into the actual number of assaults in women's only spaces in the UK carried out by trans women. You will find nothing - I'd like to draw your attention to actual sexual assaults carried out by men (around 98% of them): there is much work to be done. When we demonise trans women, we blame one of the most marginalised groups in the UK for actual harm done by men - we put under threat the bodily autonomy of cis women (female at birth) who do not fit into societies standards of what a woman should be/look like. This disproportionately affects women of colour and has already lead to the humiliation and abuse of gender-non conforming women (butch lesbians, to name one group) in toilets. These arguments also leave a gaping hole when it comes to trans men (female at birth, now male), who in this instance will need to use female toilets. In the way that trans women are often indistinguishable from cis women, trans men often look like 'blokes' - this will make 'sneaking into the toilet by men who say they are trans' completely doable under the guise of being 'trans men'. Do you see how silly this is now?

Only 0.5% of people in the UK are trans. They want to be able to live their lives with dignity.

It's really important when we are considering 'arguments' like this we are radically honest with ourselves abut what we are hoping to find - and whether those hopes hinge on our comfortability around things we haven't experienced ourselves! If there's something you don't understand - ask! I hope this helps.

I'd like to draw your attention to the history of this board where everything you raised has been raised many times already and already discussed and considered from different angles.

Generally the women here have found these arguements on closer examination lacking in facts, logic or both.

So you are not going to change our minds by simply repeating the same things that failed to convince us the first 5, 10, 20, 100 times.

If you genuinely want to engage, if you genuinely want to convince us that you are right and we are wrong, you will need to take the time to learn what has already been said on the points you came here with, and then deal with those arguments. Otherwise you are just way way behind the current debate.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 12/11/2025 15:23

Also, anyone else spotted the double standards of "I will happily stand up for the rights of Palestinian people because they are being oppressed even though some may not respect queer identities" and "I won't stand up for the rights of female people even though they are oppressed because that clashes with queer identities"?

Greyskybluesky · 12/11/2025 16:02

@ebbbbb
Your post manages to be ignorant, wrong AND patronising all in one go. Congratulations!

nicepotoftea · 12/11/2025 16:07

affects women of colour and has already lead to the humiliation and abuse of gender-non conforming women (butch lesbians, to name one group) in toilets

Doesn’t seem to occur to the poster (or anyone making this argument) that they might be addressing butch lesbians and women of colour who have somehow managed to navigate single sex provision for many decades.

It’s as though the idea of different facilities for men and women is new.

The homophobia and racism is glaring.

Greyskybluesky · 12/11/2025 16:13

"In the way that trans women are often indistinguishable from cis women..."

😂

solerolover · 12/11/2025 16:51

This disproportionately affects women of colour

You TRA's just can't help yourselves when it comes to being horrifically racist and using us as your shields can you? I'm a woman of colour (black African) and I've never, ever had problems navigating single sex spaces, why would I? Same goes for my friends who are of various ethnicities such as Japanese, Bengali, Nepali and Iraqi. Some of them come from Muslim backgrounds too and they definitely don't want men in their private spaces. I'm screaming bloody murder if I ever see a man in the ladies loo or changing room, to hell with your babble.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 12/11/2025 16:54

akkakk · 11/11/2025 13:11

"As one of my earlier posts stated I am gender critical. I do not believe anyone can change sex but I am adult enough to appreciate some people feel they need to present as the opposite sex. That is fine - just appreciate my space as my space and respect that as a biological female I want privacy away from men, however they present."

As do trans women.

Transwomen are not able to have privacy away from men - everywhere they go they take a man with them...

Also, there are certain things it is reasonable to expect of society or even demand in some cases - but demanding the impossible is probably over that boundary... It doesn't matter what is said / how eloquent or logical the discussion (and sadly it is rarely that!) underlying it all - a man is a man. So a transwoman is simply a man in a frock with or without bodily mutilation... To make decisions therefore, it is completely reasonable to consider them as men, because they are - we don't need to sub-categorise men - it would be as logical as loos for blond men or loos for those who are left-handed, or loos for those below 5'5" - in fact the latter might be more logical - you could have lower urinals!

As a transwoman can never be anything other than a man - so they ready have their own space with other men - if they don't like that, tough, society can not be expected to deal with every like and dislike... provision of a space for blokes and a space for women is sufficient - alternative toilets for the disabled who have special requirements is absolutely a reasonable adaptation - special loos and spaces for men who want to pretend to be women - absolute nonsense!

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"Trans women are men. I am allowed to have that opinion. It does not make me transphobic."

No one is suggesting stating trans women are biologically 'male' is transphobia. What's transphobic in the true sense of 'a phobia' is an irrational fear of them.

Hurrah - about the most logical thing I have read from this poster - absolutely correct in the meaning of phobia... now take the English lesson that little bit further - transphobia would be fear of trans - as it is biologically impossible for anyone to transition, and as we know from repeated postings on here, you can't even transition gender (you simply expand the definition of your own gender), therefore there is fundamentally no such thing as trans - it is not possible.

ergo - not possible to be transphobic...

This is my stance too. Ever since the late '90s early 2000s at least. I've seen nothing these last 20 odd years to change my mind. Rather the contrary actually. The behaviour of most Transwomen in the public eye especially has, if anything, confirmed that humans cannot change sex. So well done lads.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 12/11/2025 17:04

ArabellaSaurus · 11/11/2025 13:20

One can imagine every thread having a wee MRA plopper as a sort of anti-mascot.

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Hah! I've been hanging around here long enough to remember the old midnight misogynist. Fun times!

I wonder if these muppets have any idea how unintentionally hilarious they are.
(Although there are times when I wish they'd just fuck off and stop ruining perfectly decent and potentially interesting threads. But, sadly for them, I'm not actually UPSET by them which is clearly the goal)

Shedmistress · 13/11/2025 08:01

Just a quick reminder 'It's really important when we are considering 'arguments' like this' is straight out of AI.

Anything that says 'It is important to remember' is AI written.

SunnieShine · 13/11/2025 08:06

What do they want to be liberated from? Reality?

ArabellaSaurus · 13/11/2025 08:06

Shedmistress · 13/11/2025 08:01

Just a quick reminder 'It's really important when we are considering 'arguments' like this' is straight out of AI.

Anything that says 'It is important to remember' is AI written.

I see.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 13/11/2025 08:32

Shedmistress · 13/11/2025 08:01

Just a quick reminder 'It's really important when we are considering 'arguments' like this' is straight out of AI.

Anything that says 'It is important to remember' is AI written.

It is important to remember that.

Original poster

BlueLegume · 13/11/2025 08:40

It is also important to remember that men cannot be women. Full disclosure I came to that conclusion myself without AI.

OP posts:

Shedmistress · 13/11/2025 11:39

BlueLegume · 13/11/2025 08:40

It is also important to remember that men cannot be women. Full disclosure I came to that conclusion myself without AI.

Many of us came to this long before AI was even a thing. But it really is important to stop responding to AI phrases and bots that come on here just to manipulate and learn the responses that they are generating.

PruthePrune · 13/11/2025 13:05

I can only speak for myself obv but, for me, as a woman I'm extremely fucking insulted when told I have to accept men as women or that men have a right to define what a woman is. That is one of my main gripes with the whole trans thing, when were we consulted about changing our definition?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/11/2025 20:24

PruthePrune · 13/11/2025 13:05

I can only speak for myself obv but, for me, as a woman I'm extremely fucking insulted when told I have to accept men as women or that men have a right to define what a woman is. That is one of my main gripes with the whole trans thing, when were we consulted about changing our definition?

This.

borntobequiet · 13/11/2025 20:46

ebbbbb · 12/11/2025 13:58

Hi, I came across these posts about queer people supporting Palestine and as a queer supporter of Palestine I want to make something very clear. My railing against the genocide and killing of children there is not contingent on their support of my lifestyle. That's not how making moral choices works. What is happening there is affecting queer people too - we exist everywhere no matter a government's stance on our existence. Those people do not deserve bombing and starvation. If you have a quick Google about the actual 'laws' surrounding being LGBTQ+ in Palestine, they might contradict your expectations too!

If you are truly interested in the safety of women then please look into the actual number of assaults in women's only spaces in the UK carried out by trans women. You will find nothing - I'd like to draw your attention to actual sexual assaults carried out by men (around 98% of them): there is much work to be done. When we demonise trans women, we blame one of the most marginalised groups in the UK for actual harm done by men - we put under threat the bodily autonomy of cis women (female at birth) who do not fit into societies standards of what a woman should be/look like. This disproportionately affects women of colour and has already lead to the humiliation and abuse of gender-non conforming women (butch lesbians, to name one group) in toilets. These arguments also leave a gaping hole when it comes to trans men (female at birth, now male), who in this instance will need to use female toilets. In the way that trans women are often indistinguishable from cis women, trans men often look like 'blokes' - this will make 'sneaking into the toilet by men who say they are trans' completely doable under the guise of being 'trans men'. Do you see how silly this is now?

Only 0.5% of people in the UK are trans. They want to be able to live their lives with dignity.

It's really important when we are considering 'arguments' like this we are radically honest with ourselves abut what we are hoping to find - and whether those hopes hinge on our comfortability around things we haven't experienced ourselves! If there's something you don't understand - ask! I hope this helps.

Utter tosh from beginning to end.