Transgender women to be banned from all female Olympic events

[Misla]

About time!!

IOC likely to announce new policy early in new year after findings of a scientific review about the permanent physical advantages of being born male

The International Olympic Committee is set to announce a ban on transgender women in female competition early next year after a science-based review of evidence about permanent physical advantages of being born male.

The IOC’s guidance to Olympic sports has until now been that transgender women can compete with reduced testosterone levels but leaves it up to individual sports to decide. That is now set to change under its new president, Kirsty Coventry, who has promised to protect the female category.

The committee’s medical and scientific director, Dr Jane Thornton, last week presented to IOC members at a meeting in Lausanne the initial findings of a science-based review into the issues of transgender athletes and athletes with differences of sexual development (DSD) competing in female sport.

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Transgender women to be banned from all female Olympic events

About time.

Good news day. The wheels continue to be reversed.

They may have an advantage but I'm not sure its actually been proved by studies. It could be that only PAIS athletes showed an advantage. I think further studies are probably required which correctly differentiate between PAIS and CAIS.

What isn't ambiguous is that athletes with 5ARD like Semanya and Khelif are male and should not be competing in womens events.

The legal consensus in the UK is that CAIS and PAIS (if not given virilising treatment) are biologically female, and it follows from the same case law that so is someone like Khelif, unless she chooses to correct her registration (as she would be entitled to do if born in the UK, in a process quite different from the GRC process).

IOC has to deal with people of different nationalities so can make its own science-based rules independently of what their birth nations think about it.

Equality Act enables exclusion of Khelif from female-only spaces as an exception to the ban on perceptive discrimination, so it's all good, if a little counterintuitive.

The CAIS argument - the massive, massive majority of the population have to accept anyway that they are never going to be Olympians, it is not 'inclusive', it's about excellence. Sadly the reason athletes with CAIS are present and a question in women's sport is because without CAIS they would not have the advantages to qualify.

Looking forward already to seeing how the BBC will report this. One of

a) not at all
b) smallest mention as a footnote to another story
c) it's all so complicated and we just don't know enough yet. "Let's take a look at the facts so far".... selectively, obviously... followed by an interview with a TW about how upsetting it all is to be erased from society

I want a celebration emoji on the Mumsnet choice. In its absence:
🥳 🎉 🍾
Hockey England announced the same in September.

This is huge. It means our daughters should never have to compete against a man unfairly.

In future, there'll be studies on how this absurd shite ever got off the ground in the first place and why so many people pretended to be so stupid.

There have already been a number of trans identified females playing sport at high level and delaying taking hormones until they retire.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to name them all but there have definitely been two non binary identified females in the skateboarding at an Olympics. The commentator went to great lengths to explain they they could enter the category as they were female....
Also a New Zealand rugby player waited until retirement to publicly transition although team mates were aware.
I am sure they are not alone as women know that they cannot compete against men.

Quite.

Unfortunately all women’s sports in which men have participated under false pretences have medal tables that are demonstrably false and the result of corruption. The simplest remedy is to remove the men from the list and give the top performing women the medals, but it will never make up for those women who were knocked out of the competition early because they were unfortunate enough to meet a male opponent sooner rather than later.

Men no longer permited (encouraged) to cheat by pretending (badly) to be women when entering the olympics. About bloody time.

Still waiting for the realisation that "transgender women" can only logically refer to women who are (or claim to be) transgender, not effing men.

If CAIS males are female, then why are they not exactly like CAIS females in terms of their development?

I can get on board with CAIS males being regarded as women and girls in the general scheme of things, but not when it comes to sport.

double post

Good!

One bloody step at a time, we’re getting there! Or as we’ve been saying on here for years now - “Puuullllllll!”

Agreed, and I love your username 😁

Yes, it's easy for something fully measurable like a race where you can just compare the speeds and finishing places, but for match-based sports like boxing or badminton, it's impossible because the cheating men will have fucked up the entire process. Every result and dependency will be off. And even in races, the men will have denied competitive spots to women, so actually for all we know, the ones who would have won medals never got to compete in the first place.

I could absolutely weep for all the women who lost out on opportunities, medals, prize money, careers, for this absolute shitfest that literally everyone knows is a lie.

This should be a priority.

It's great news, obviously. But something tells me the TRAs won't just shrug and wish women all the best on hearing this news.

Did they really need a scientific survey to tell them that anyone born male will always have a physical advantage?

Of course not, but the androgen suppressant stuff, which still let men compete as women with a T level that would get a woman disqualified for doping, was not brought in because it removed male advantage, it was brought in because it was possible. And women athletes were not consulted.

Even if it did remove male advantage, the women's section is not for artificially hobbled men, and it still denies women opportunities because women can't dope up to gain equivalent male advantage and compete as men.

In part because of the fake information that was being out around. The simple fact is that if someone has gender reassignment before puberty, they take on the strengths and weaknesses of their new gender. If they have gender reassignment after puberty, they take with them the strengths and weaknesses of their former gender.

The simple solution is to ban anyone with an SRY gene, as the number of Swyer Syndrome individuals affected is likely to be vanishingly small. Or, ban anyone who has ever had normal testes including internal ones. But I am wondering whether they actually will do this, or whether they will seek to continue to include CAIS.

Wrong thread title. Mumsnet must lead ahead in NOT using Stonewall Cult invented language: Biology, and Supreme Court, say a man can NOT become a woman: Therefore, there is no such thing as 'trans'. There are sex fetishists including autogynophiles, getting kicks from pretending to be women. When they do it at home, with or without consenting adults, it is their own concern. But when they force unwilling members of the public to be dragged into seeing them, it is a form of exhibitionism. They are dangerous men: Exhibitionism is now correctly recognised as a red flag for pre-rape.

It is galling that they still pandered to the insanity to the point of pretending that a 'scientific review' was necessary to determine what anyone with an ounce of common sense has known all along, but at least they (finally) made the right call on this one.