Transgender women to be banned from all female Olympic events

[Misla]

About time!!

IOC likely to announce new policy early in new year after findings of a scientific review about the permanent physical advantages of being born male

The International Olympic Committee is set to announce a ban on transgender women in female competition early next year after a science-based review of evidence about permanent physical advantages of being born male.

The IOC’s guidance to Olympic sports has until now been that transgender women can compete with reduced testosterone levels but leaves it up to individual sports to decide. That is now set to change under its new president, Kirsty Coventry, who has promised to protect the female category.

The committee’s medical and scientific director, Dr Jane Thornton, last week presented to IOC members at a meeting in Lausanne the initial findings of a science-based review into the issues of transgender athletes and athletes with differences of sexual development (DSD) competing in female sport.

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Transgender women to be banned from all female Olympic events

The IOC is hugely influential, so I hope the BBC are wrong. If the IOC has made a clear decision it's only a matter of time for the big sports. Even the sports which are not included in the Olympics and don't want to be, this would have an impact.

People with SS don't or very rarely produce T. I don't have a view on CAIS, but also don't see how their exclusion would arise from this initiative, which is all about T advantage.

PS people with SS don't have gonads, but sometimes a tumour located where they should be produces O (causing feminisation) or T (body converts to O, etc). Treatment is to remove and administer exogenous O and progesterone.

I agree. It's not just about the medal itself and prize money from your national federation. It's your moment in the sun, holding back the tears while your anthem plays. It's for everyone back home, feeling the pride with you, especially if you come from a small country.

It is progress that the headline for the BBC article, or indeed the article itself, did not mention "anti-trans".

Pffft. Not if the SNP have anything to do with it! 🙄

Please please can Martine Croxall present the BBC News item covering this?

I came across a discussion about the studies into whether CAIS athletes have an advantage in female sports. There seemed to be some doubts expressed about whether previous studies separated the results of CAIS and PAIS athletes correctly and perhaps the advantages shown were for PAIS not CAIS.

I can't remember who was involved in the discussion but they were sex realists. May have been Emma Hilton

They’d have worked it out much more quickly if they admitted that ‘transgender women’ are actually men.

My dog could have helped them out.

This.

The cost to women of indulging these men in their fantasy 'best lives' has been huge. Places lost altogether because a man bumped a woman from the team, funding lost, medals lost, records set and lost to men that will never be achievable for women, it goes on and on.

Tomorrow I understand they're hearing a special scientific review to decide whether water is wet. (It's complicated.)

Yes, indeed.

This is excellent news, but we’ll know that this shite is really on the way out when there is no longer any pretence that “transgender woman” is neutral language, and it is consigned to the bin of activist jargon along with “cis” and “assigned at birth” etc.

There is nothing neutral about any language that obscures in any way the fact these men are men.

Testosterone is a red herring. The advantage is from being male, whether or not puberty has taken place. CAIS males are better at sport than their female counterparts and since everyone, sometimes including the athletes themselves, will have thought of them as female and treated them accordingly all their lives, the advantage they have must derive from being male. Because the training and opportunities they get and the societal attitudes they face are the same as women.

As I said, SS women, as far as I am aware, never switch on the male development. They are classed as women. CAIS males are not.

The male development is switched off in CAIS as they have a complete inability to process testosterone including in utero.

I'm not sure what the medical consensus is but certainly some medics class CAIS individuals as female (Prof Robert Winston is one of them)

A PP mentioned that the data may have been confounded by the inclusion of some subjects with moderate PAIS. It would be interesting to see disaggregated data. The lack of periods alone must confer an advantage.

Would be great to see (although we know it’s not going to happen - decades later, Sharron Davies has never been awarded the gold she is due, even after the East Germans’ doping was conclusively proved) - but it’s not even possible in the case of boxing.

We’ll never know which women would have made it through the sides of the draw that Khelif and Lin were in, in their respective competitions.

So while we know that the women who faced the two men in the finals were there fairly, we don’t know who their opponents would have been, or who would have won the bouts between them.

The damage to the women sidelined by those travesties is permanent and irreversible.

Now the next announcement - NHS bans transwomen from female changing rooms and toilets and accepts it was breaking the law heretofore.

Ha, as if...

They are still males. That is the dividing line, IMO. Because on average males outperform females massively on almost every athletic performance measure, we exclude all males from the female category.

Also, consider this - PAIS is on a spectrum and results from several different causes. CAIS has a specific genetic cause, I believe, but it's not hard to imagine that there are cases of PAIS which are virtually indistinguishable from CAIS. So do we include those PAIS males? We can't get into bargaining about how little of an athletic advantage any individual males or subgroup of males need to have to qualify as women.

Many sex realist women are very sympathetic to the idea of CAIS males in women's sport - they've had to deal with the same crap as women do, they look just like us, etc. But we didn't do it to them. We are not responsible for the system that does it to them, or for the fact that they have a DSD. It's not our fault and we don't owe them medals or sporting places to make up for it. Especially when you think how small a slice of the cake women have in the first place.

MEN are excluded from a women's Olympic sport and we are in a place in todays world where women have to class this as a win? FFS

About time.

Whether they are male or female is disputed.

And the BBC and Guardian accurately report it, and the backstory.

The utter shitshow of the 2016 women's 800m final should never be forgotten, when 3 DSD, male athletes took Olympic gold, silver and bronze as the women they beat could only watch on in tears of frustration. This highlights the arrogance, the disparity, the criminally unjust manner in which world-class female athletes were denied not only their 'moment in the sun' as a pp rightly said, but also the sponsorship, endorsements and training contracts that come with sporting success on a local, national and international platform. And at grassroots level, the places they were denied in finals, semi-finals, on teams and on podiums around the world. Every time one of these contemptible men or boys stepped into a sporting arena of any description, they were denying a female athlete an opportunity.

Every man and DSD athlete who has ever competed in a women's or girls' event should be publicly named by their sport's governing bodies, along with their coaches, selectors and supporters. Out-and-out cheats, the lot of them.

And finally...looking at you Parkrun UK 😡

I think it's more Male athletes to be banned from Female competitions.

Sex not "gender". One is scientific, the other isn't.

Male development can't be completely switched off because they develop testes.

There must be a reason why CAIS males do not have periods and are taller than the average woman, and are over-represented in the population of elite athletes in the female category. Even if confounded with PAIS athletes.

CAIS females also exist - they have the same defective gene as CAIS males but their sexual development is unaffected because they are female, not male.

Poor Lindsay Sharpe. Her post run interview was heart wrenching-going to try and find a link.
She was afraid to say what we all saw but the unfairness was shocking

Here it is-watch until the end. it is heartbreaking. she said we are relying at the people at the top to sort it out...

edited to add this is NINE years ago

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=lyndsay+sharpe+post+interview+2016+800m&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:44ef1fcf,vid:4JeLO8RCtoQ,st:0