Transgender women to be banned from all female Olympic events

[Misla]

About time!!

IOC likely to announce new policy early in new year after findings of a scientific review about the permanent physical advantages of being born male

The International Olympic Committee is set to announce a ban on transgender women in female competition early next year after a science-based review of evidence about permanent physical advantages of being born male.

The IOC’s guidance to Olympic sports has until now been that transgender women can compete with reduced testosterone levels but leaves it up to individual sports to decide. That is now set to change under its new president, Kirsty Coventry, who has promised to protect the female category.

The committee’s medical and scientific director, Dr Jane Thornton, last week presented to IOC members at a meeting in Lausanne the initial findings of a science-based review into the issues of transgender athletes and athletes with differences of sexual development (DSD) competing in female sport.

Free-to-read link: https://archive.is/kGpyI

Transgender women to be banned from all female Olympic events

I think the point here is that there have been so very many terms used over time, and so very many different types of trans women all the way from declaring themselves as female, through living (as best they can) as a woman, to undergoing surgery. It can be very hard indeed to keep up with all the types & names, I assumed that @Helleofabore was trying to say that what is now called gender reassignment surgery was commonly called sex change surgery in the past.

Yes it may have been a clumsy term, but anyone not up to date with this subject may well not realise that these terms as commonly used at the time mean approximately the same thing.

Not me. I don’t think I have ever used the term sex change surgery on MN.

Apologies, I meant to tag @MyObservations

It’s hard to think that Webberley actually has a medical degree.

Let’s hope that Webberley doesn’t have to be relied upon to explain the need for prostate exams to the likes of Gavin.

She seems to be an extreme example of how badly wrong people’s brains can go. I’d be fascinated are to know what happens.

Is it the severe mental strain of holding so many conflicting ideas at the same time?

Transmen (females) can take T (anabolic steroid - a banned substance) if they have a Therapeutic Use Exemption and under medical supervision. So they can take part in men’s / open competitions.

She found a remarkably lucrative grift.

I can’t decide whether she really has bought into the whole trans thing or whether she sees a business opportunity that is ripe for exploiting (to the max).

Apologies for the ridiculous article, but it contains good news. Nike will no longer be funding a study on "trans girls" competing in female sport

https://www.outsports.com/2025/11/11/24121287/joanna-harper-trans-women-athletes-research-nike/?fbclid=Iwb21leAOBcFdjbGNrA4FwUWV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHp9fDdIe_mktQhYjj1MmkltXViWerTaXaIIOTENnzZSh9ORZWncZyGBvyS3g_aem_-mJrLxNQ1sUGBxt25qv9yQ

Sad times

I CBA to read it but good.
Harper is one of the people very much to blame for the ludicrous unfair position of the IOC for the last few years, with that spurious ‘research’ being presented as authoritative.

"I understand in the wake of what happened to Bud Light that Nike got nervous."

Ha ha ha. Well done Dylan!

“The haters got wind of it,” she said. “It was a study of fitness test results in trans adolescents. And while there’s limited data on trans adults, there’s no published data on trans adolescents and their athletic capabilities. This was an exciting study.

“I regret that they make this decision. I wish they hadn’t pulled out,” she continued. “But, I think we should focus on the people who hate trans people and those aren’t the people at Nike. I understand in the wake of what happened to Bud Light that Nike got nervous. They made a corporate decision on this.”

and

She is paying sharp attention to the return of female testing in elite sports with three world governing bodies commenting, and the International Olympic Committee looking at making such testing uniform in every Olympic sport.

“The issue of who should or shouldn’t be eligible for the female category is a complex question with lots of nuance,” she noted. “I think reducing it to, say that anyone with a Y chromosome is not allowed in women’s sports, is a gross oversimplification. I certainly hope that the IOC doesn’t go down this path.”

It does seem that Harper is searching for the holy grail.

It will be interesting to see how what that adolescent review would deliver. Was it going to review performance figures? How would the team have judged whether the adolescents were performing at their peak or simply performing to the maximum capacity need to win?

I don’t know… maybe it could if (and it’s a big if) the will was there. They are always going to be able to sex test these people - that’s the difference with drugs cheats, where if evidence wasn’t captured at the time, nothing can be proved subsequently. If somebody was male and competed in a female category, that could still be tested - and refusal to comply could mean a void result and, where possible, the award of a medal to a biological female athlete. I’m not saying it would happen, but I think the fact that it could is something that will hang over any cheating men and their enablers. I do hope so, anyway.

'Hating trans people' = not mindlessly enabling men to have their happy Main Character experience at the expense of every single woman, sense, science and sanity.

Radical interpretation of the text I feel.

He can see his gravy train grinding to a halt.

What lies and misinformation research is he going to get paid to produce now?

The trouble with all this research is that there is no way of making sure that trans athletes are not deliberately reducing their performance levels to get the results the trans community wants.

A couple of things that struck me about the Harper article

Even today at age 68, Harper is an avid runner. As a young college student she put up a personal best marathon at 2 hours, 23 minutes

I have no idea how many non elite women runners would get close to that time.
If someone knows please post it, I can't imagine that it would be many if any.

Harper is against the idea of an open category as they would have to compete against males.

The cognitive dissonance with this is epic in proportions.

It was a study of fitness test results in trans adolescents. And while there’s limited data on trans adults, there’s no published data on trans adolescents and their athletic capabilities. This was an exciting study.

How many of the adolescence had started taking puberty blockers? and why were they allowed to do so?

I've wondered about this too. I know Emily Bridges is/was involved in a study where it will be in Emily's interest to demonstrate no advantage. But presumably they will measure things like heart rate etc, so it should be obvious if someone is not going at full capacity?

But I wouldn't trust any study that Joanna Harper oversees because of JH's demonstrable bias. JH should have been excluded from panels discussing male eligibility in the female category because of JH's very obvious bias and vested interests. This is apparent in the article above where everyone who has concerns about fairness in the female category is smeared as transphobic and hateful. JH is incapable of good faith arguing on this issue. I don't understand why intelligent people can't see that.

And we are told that JH is "softly-spoken". What relevance does that have? So we are supposed to feel sorry for poor, meek JH and all the other men being excluded from a category they don't qualify for?

You only need to look at Thomas when he was swimming to see that often he wasn't going full bore in his efforts.

I remember seeing a video of a US teenager, Veronica Garcia, a male who won the state track title in the female category. All of the female athletes were going flat out, whereas in contrast, VG was running at a comfortable stride. And still won of course. It honestly blows my mind that adults can sit there and watch this and think it's ok.

Harper is Canadian and ran a 2:23 marathon as a student so, what, about 50 years ago, mid to late 70s. Harper's time then have obliterated the Canadian women's record of the time and would quite possibly still be the record today - only two Canadian women have ever run anywhere near as fast as that, the better of these two times being 2:23:12.

https://worldathletics.org/records/all-time-toplists/road-running/marathon/all/women/senior?regionType=countries&region=can&page=1&bestResultsOnly=true&firstDay=1900-01-01&lastDay=2025-11-12&maxResultsByCountry=all&eventId=10229534&ageCategory=senior

Apparently there’s a big push to limit the exclusion.

x.com/coachblade/status/1988548999482331298?s=46&t=24c39_JwRrH3k0oebVKtWw

There is an Australian trans woman called Kirsti Miller who posts incessantly on X about trans athletes. Miller was an Olympian pentathlete as a man and then transitioned and posts loads of supposed research that shows that trans women are less able than bio women. It is infuriating.

Miller really hates being reminded that he is playing women's rugby at regional level (I believe) and that he plays with mostly 20 & 30 year old women. And no female players of his age (50 + years, maybe even 55+years old now) play women's rugby.

And that in and of itself is a male advantage.

He gets very unhappy being reminded this.

We already know this happened too.

And that USAF study was just the start of it where they realised that these Mal people are only performing to the level they need too. They don't even have to be politically motivated, just 'unmotivated' if you know what I mean.