Transgender women to be banned from all female Olympic events

[Misla]

About time!!

IOC likely to announce new policy early in new year after findings of a scientific review about the permanent physical advantages of being born male

The International Olympic Committee is set to announce a ban on transgender women in female competition early next year after a science-based review of evidence about permanent physical advantages of being born male.

The IOC’s guidance to Olympic sports has until now been that transgender women can compete with reduced testosterone levels but leaves it up to individual sports to decide. That is now set to change under its new president, Kirsty Coventry, who has promised to protect the female category.

The committee’s medical and scientific director, Dr Jane Thornton, last week presented to IOC members at a meeting in Lausanne the initial findings of a science-based review into the issues of transgender athletes and athletes with differences of sexual development (DSD) competing in female sport.

Free-to-read link: https://archive.is/kGpyI

Transgender women to be banned from all female Olympic events

Thank you.

@MyObservations
Well you just described pretty much everywhere on the internet that people communicate with each other. Emotive issues even more so as you say.
I think you've got to go in assuming good faith but the number of times on MN a good faith start has let the mask slip very quickly is a bit disheartening, but the genuine good faith ones more than make up for it even though they are far fewer in number.
There's a few names that I see over and over on MN making good sensible posts that stick out again and again. Choose those posters as our yardstick. There's a lot of wisdom and compassion here.

Aw gee what a pity the days of bringing some real diversity to the podium are over
😶

Sad times

Probably all seen this article as well by now, but just tagging the guardian article by the excellent Sean Ingle https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/nov/10/ioc-edges-closer-to-ban-on-transgender-women-in-female-olympic-events

Pleasingly clear title: IOC edges closer to ban on transgender women in female Olympic events

Also he refers to Caster Semenya in the DSD discussion piece, not using “she” or other female pronouns, references the two Olympic gold medals, and describes as the kind of athlete who was “reported female at birth but have male chromosomes and male testosterone levels.”

@lechiffre55
Thanks, I'm very grateful for your wise counsel.

Interesting. Things that wouldn't have been written even a year ago. Let's also remember that Imane has fathered children with his male sperm!

lol if you knew me in real life you would know how inappropriate that desciption is for me, but I thank you anyway. I was only trying to understand what looked like a possible misunderstanding. Also thanks for willingness to engage while under fire. A lot of people get in their foxhole and put their fingers in their ears, then they join the BBC.

Yes. This was what I objected to:

MyObservations · Yesterday 14:36
In part because of the fake information that was being out around. The simple fact is that if someone has gender reassignment before puberty, they take on the strengths and weaknesses of their new gender. If they have gender reassignment after puberty, they take with them the strengths and weaknesses of their former gender.

Yes. This was what I objected to:

MyObservations · Yesterday 14:36
In part because of the fake information that was being out around. The simple fact is that if someone has gender reassignment before puberty, they take on the strengths and weaknesses of their new gender. If they have gender reassignment after puberty, they take with them the strengths and weaknesses of their former gender.

This is what you said.

Can you explain what I misunderstood please?

MyObservations · Yesterday 14:36
In part because of the fake information that was being out around. The simple fact is that if someone has gender reassignment before puberty, they take on the strengths and weaknesses of their new gender. If they have gender reassignment after puberty, they take with them the strengths and weaknesses of their former gender.

A total mystery indeed.

It was this previous post that I objected to, subsequent smart remarks didn’t do anything to clarify that incorrect view until this linger more detailed post thing I largely agree with. It’s like it’s come from a different poster.

MyObservations · Yesterday 14:36
In part because of the fake information that was being out around. The simple fact is that if someone has gender reassignment before puberty, they take on the strengths and weaknesses of their new gender. If they have gender reassignment after puberty, they take with them the strengths and weaknesses of their former gender.

Alright @BundleBoogie, we heard you the first three times 😆

Yes, I was trying to respond to separate PPs questions in this but on reflection I could just gave tagged them in one reply - need more coffee.

I’m glad @MyObservations does agree though and the previous posting was just a misunderstanding.

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Not really true, though. A male child will be weakened, unable to grow into their genetic potential. A female child will also be damaged. Perhaps stronger than their female cohort but how long will that last? Will they keep their health or will osteoporosis set in early due to low oestrogen levels? There are lots of health drawbacks that a lovely beard and biceps doesn't protect them from.

A castrated boy might be able to grow breasts via hormones, but he will never contend with periods and I think I’m right in saying that his height might be affected, but his pelvis etc won’t change.

He really won’t have the same strengths and weaknesses as a girl.

Did you see Brianna Wu's reply?

'Helen, real talk. I wish I’d had help as a child, but I didn’t. It traumatized me, and I went through male puberty. I might have a 19 BMI, but I’m still 6 foot two. I absolutely hate it, but it would not be fair for me to compete against normal women in basketball or volleyball. We have to focus on the policies that make our lives better and not the compromises that make the public hate us. I know you mean well but you’re just not helping us.'

When even your own side thinks you're damaging their cause.

@WallaceinAnderland

Did you see Brianna Wu's reply? - right under Elon Musk's.

But it's not just about the effects of puberty. I think we've been round this block before so no point in us doing it again, but I can't let your claim stand uncontested.

Even male socialisation is a key benefit, even in something like darts, where the parents buy their son a mini dartboard for Xmas and encourage his skills, while buying their daughter barbies.

There he goes, into the girls' category, based on stopping male puberty, but armed with social advantage he can never shake off because it is ingrained. Meanwhile the girls who persisted in the face of parental disinterest are up against him.

Just no.

What is your point?

You and @MyObservations have been having a lovely little chat on this thread. I called it out. And now here we are.

So, what is your point with that reply?

@Misla
My point in commenting on Wu's reply being right under Musk's reply is that Webberly's post is getting huge attention far and wide.

You and @MyObservations have been having a lovely little chat on this thread. I called it out. And now here we are.
Yes we had a chat. We discussed a mistunderstanding and resolved it amicably like adults. We also shut up about it upon resolution.

You ask a second time what my point was in a very passive agressive way. Methinks you have some issues with Musk and are projecting. I have no issues with Musk. Without Musk women wouldn't be able to speak up for their rights on Twatter.

Before the steam coming out of ear ears makes a high pitch whilstling sound like a very small kettle consider this.
Wu who is on the opposite side of the GC debate was noted as having commented on Webberly's tweet. It was relevant becuase Wu opposed what Webberly was doing. Bringing attention to Wu's post was not an issue presumably because it was vaguely aligned to the GC view on Webberly even if we don't align with Wu. A comment about Musk can also be made without having to agree with Musk. It is not an endorsement. It was a huge example showing the widespread traction Webberly's post is getting, and all negative feedback.
You deal with your Musk issues yourself and don't try and project them onto others. Kettle's boiled, maybe make yourself a nice soothing cup of tea?

Either you are being obtuse, or disingenuous. I have no problems with Musk. Why would I?

Well then what's your point?
What about my comment set you off?