Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 2

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The YP starting conference is in the ACC in Liverpool between 29-30 November so only three weeks off. With competing factions involving Islamic conservatives, every variety of Marxist/Communist, former Labour members, trade union activists, entryists from SWP and SPEW, splitters from the Scottish Greens, trans activists and actual left wing feminists [not the nice kind] it is difficult to underplay how much controversy there is likely to be. So we will need a second thread in advance.

Thus far following the internal drama of the UKs newest left party has taken a whole thread. It has been a wild ride and the party still does not have a name.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5394557-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread

Think this is true.

Adnan Hussain has just released a long and damning statement about Your Party (he’s quit obvs)

Adnan speaks

Replies are a mix of
A. Reform Stop the boats types saying bye.
B. True left Sultana faction saying good riddance
A subset of B. is insisting that no true socialist would ever demean his faith.

One activist who's applauded is any activist behind Operation Muslim Vote. So sectional/ sectarian based interests

https://nitter.net/AdnanHussainMP/status/1989339473977754087#m

But then within the Zara faction there is unease that they still have Salma Yaqoob (who smeared labour Bradford rival Nazi Shah to extent she felt su*dal. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/27/battle-to-become-west-midlands-mayor-has-revived-memories-of-clan-rivalry-and-misogyny) and ex PCS boss Mark Serwotka . I don't know where this video originated from. He's the only speaker on a left platform to reference the attacks from TRAs on women (though he doesn't say TRA. He says make violence)

https://nitter.net/chelleryn99/status/1989347590077583740#m

I have my issues with Serwotka but he's one of very few men on the left who's willing to oppose the TRAs.

I think the calculation has to be: do Team Corbyn realise that they need Operation Muslim Vote and the Gaza MPs more than OMV need them? Corbyn will be 80 by the next election and outside of Islington North I can't see any YP candidates winning except for Muslim candidates in heavily Muslim seats.

If the Green surge turns out to be real, that kneecaps any chances of Feinstein etc getting elected.

Some of the baizuo element will be wondering if they'd be better off on Team Zack.

I don't know if Sultana goes to the Greens. She'd be a better ideological fit for them, but Sultana is someone who looks appealing at a distance but everyone who's dealt with her close up says she's impossible to work with. I'm not sure the Greens have room for two planet sized egos.

Nobody seems to know if she's actually left the IA or been kicked out, but from what Sienna Rodgers says, based on what the Muslim dudebros have told her, she never signed any of their joint statements or turned up to meetings.

Someone a while ago pointed out a telling fact - she would always talk about "Jeremy and me" while Corbyn always said "Zarah and Adnan and Ayoub and Shockat and Iqbal and me"

I don't think she would have fit into the group at all unless some other Campaign Group MPs defected, and I sense that even they don't want to have to deal with her.

Lots of coverage of Adnan Hussain's departure developing:;

Your Party officials say they urgently need the £850,000 to run a conference at the end of this month and pay staff who have been acting as volunteers.
An ally of Sultana said the timing of Thursday’s statement was “damaging and irrational”. “They know they are demanding something she can’t legally deliver. She couldn’t be doing anything differently. It is very frustrating to find us in this position,” the ally said.
A Your Party source disputed Sultana’s arguments of a need for a delay in transferring the money, saying it was “desperately needed” to run the conference. “The legal advice is that she absolutely can do it and she should do it, but she keeps shifting the goalposts,” they said.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/14/mp-adnan-hussain-quits-your-party-over-persistent-infighting

None of of coverage mentions that a key trigger for the falling out with Zarah and Adnan was him stating that women should have rights on August 29th on X triggering a huge drama. We covered a lot of that in the first thread;

Adnan Hussain MP

I agree, women's rights and safe spaces should not be encroached upon.

Safe third spaces should be an alternative option.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5394557-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread?page=4

I wonder who Hussain is accusing of racism? If the other Muslim MPs quit that's the end of Your Party I think, then what happens to all the money?

The ultra left Sultana faction, presumably.

Except they say "transphobes and landlords" rather than Muslim.

Prefigures a similar bit of code switching for Another Religious Group.

Meanwhile another grouping to represent Disabled People has been boosted by Max Shanley, who is a claiming prophecy in noting "all parties have a left wing and a right wing",

https://nitter.net/NothingAbtUsYP/status/1987944047529332944#m,

https://nitter.net/charliemansell/status/1989377495624487276#m

The fractal left

As Charlie correctly points out

The 50+ year "The Second Law of PCS union factions" posits that even when "the original right" is not there any more a leftist org will develop a new right and left

This is also true in NIPSA, the Northern Ireland analogue of PCS, where the "right wing" is in fact the Communist Party, which is only right wing in comparison to the faction led by whatever Militant are calling themselves these days

I'm going to guess the last straw for Hussain was the Sultana faction drafting in Craig Murray to scupper him in Blackburn.

I'll just flat out say this, Zarah Sultana is the Carl Benjamin of the left, absolute kryptonite for any party stupid enough to allow her to join.

Don't they also say there is " no place in YP for social conservatives"?

God I honestly don't know how some people can actually listen to themselves and not think 'am I, in fact a complete idiot?'

Yeah, I bet Jeremy Corbyn is absolutely rueing the day he agreed to from a new party with her.

He should have done his due diligence. As usual he has been undone by his limited intelligence and ability, massive ego and entourage of Communist leader style cult followers.

Corbzy is too soft. This is why you need hard bastards like John McDonnell. He's got Karie Murphy, but that's not quite the same.

Say what you like about Farage, he's capable of learning lessons. When Reform was set up, he took a very firm line that Carl Benjamin and his mates, all the idiots who destroyed Ukip, were going to be blackballed from joining the party. You can't stop dingbats joining if you've got a large membership, but the least you can do is keep out known dingbats.

It seems to me, that the mirror image has taken place, if you swap over the left with the right. Particularly as there’s general agreement that the Overton window has shifted to the right, making Margaret Thatchers (“the NHS is safe with us”) look moderate.

Good article for those wanting an update on the twists and turns which led us here;

The Corbyn-Sultana Power Struggle: How 'Your Party' Got Here And How It Ends

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/inside-the-corbyn-sultana-battle-your-party

I'm not a Thatcher fan but she was more moderate on some stuff than a lot of modern Tories. As several right wing journalists have pointed out, her stance on Israel was rightly supportive but not in the worryingly unqualified way that some right-wingers are now adopting.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=thecritic.co.uk/against-the-neoconservative-case-for-israel/&ved=2ahUKEwjh46rl7_SQAxVRVEEAHSZUMgoQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2_L-rNbFmJgU_TjEtwOGYG

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/may-2024/time-for-realpolitik-in-israel/

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=unherd.com/2024/04/what-thatcher-can-teach-the-pro-israel-right/&ved=2ahUKEwifnKXr8PSQAxXxT0EAHQKYD9oQFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3jKlUged6ye1sjxXF8L5pB

Yes, I don't like Farage very much but credit him for keeping Benjamin, Tommy Robinson & the rest out.

What do you mean by baizuo? I know some Chinese use it to mean 'woke', though I imagine they define that a bit differently to how we do.

How big will the Green surge be? How many MPs & voters really support stuff like TWAW that they're promoting?

I fear that, yes. We need to be wary of US influence, as this book suggests, US businesses are increasingly powerful here...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vassal-State-America-Runs-Britain/dp/1800753888

The latest deep dive poll from October with a focus on local areas has Greens on 14 seats and 12% with a landslide for Reform. Basically this suggests they are going to function enough to cripple Labour and not achieve much under FPTP, in fact acting as spoilers to help Reform.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

That poll assumes YP will not be a thing though. If it is some areas there will be serious conflict with the Greens unless they cut a deal.

How effective or deep the Green surge remains to be seen. The May elections will be key. If they really are surging that should be seen in winning London borough councillor seats for a start .

Ugh....how can people be so stupid? They're clearly not going to achieve whatever they want by sabotaging Labour's chances and helping Reform win. Haven't they learnt from the Dems who abstained from Harris? (Not a Harris fan)

I'm fed up with idiots like these criticising Shabana Mahmood at every turn while ignoring that, whatever they personally think about immigration, policing & the rest, if she doesn't implement strong measures ASAP we'll get Reform. Poor Shabana seems to be getting unfair criticism from these types on one side & from the right, taunts about being Muslim/Pakistani. At least Maurice Glasman remains loyal afaik.

Personally, I think if Shabana were leader & implemented very tough-love policies, Labour might have some chance of beating Reform. I could be wrong in my assessment of her, but so far she seems to have sussed the situation.