Martine Croxall was out of order, says the BBC

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FFS

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3epwz08ewzo

They have to do it. They can't let any crack in the false belief system exist because being untimately based on nothing at all it is so vulnerable to breaking down any time someone recognises the disconnnect between genderist "reality" and actual reality.

Because reality exists. Everyone knows it exists. All the rules they ty to impose to make it go away - what you can say, what you can react to, what you can ackowledge - are never going to work completely because it will just keep on being, well, real.

So they spiral deeper and deeper into control, thinking if they can just block this statement, this reaction, this glance, they'll finally be able to fully impose the fake reality of transgenderist belief over the fact of sex.

I am very proud that DH told me out of the blue this evening “I complained to the BBC today”. Turns out he thought was absolutely ridiculous to admonish Maxine and for the first time in his life he was moved to make a complaint. We hadn’t even discussed it!

He’s generally GC in the way much of the male population is but thinks a lot of what I rant about is over-exaggerated. Maybe he’s been listening to me after all.

Is this the same BBC that proudly displays (and actively keeps maintained) as one of its most prominent mastheads a statue of paedophile, sexual abuser and perpetrator of incest and bestiality Eric Gill?

I can't think of a single moral guardian whom I trust more to keep me on the right side of history.

Yup - and has only ever been led by a white male. And underpays and underpromotes its female staff compared to its male staff. Suggesting it might, actually, know what a woman is… it just doesn’t want presenters using such a vile word on air.

Oh god, did you never suffer the endless publicity for the 'seahorse' - the first pregnant 'male' who had endless coverage in The Guardian. This person was so speshul because they were a man who gave birth. Except they were biologically a woman, so not really news but if you take some pills that give you bumfluff on the chin and get a crew cut while pregnant you deserve everyone to tell you what an amazing unique person you are. The self-absorption of some people just baffles me.

I've watched Martine for years on BBC News 24, she is always good at interviewing people, I was always pleased when it was her presenting The Papers. She's funny and not the usual Oxbridge home counties Beeb type. She stood up to the BBC on sex and age discrimination against female presenters - good on her.

It's beyond ridiculous that she should be told off for responding as almost everyone in a real-world TV audience would to the foolish and insulting 'pregnant people' phrase, as if it weren't simply factual that all people who are pregnant are women.

I used to be someone who not only strongly supported the BBC in principle but in my job. If the institution can't see how low its stock has fallen and how much this kind of fuckwittery contributes to that then maybe it really is at the end of its days - how very sad, given its historical contribution to British cultural life.

I very much hope the BBC isn't going to compound this daft ruling by sanctioning her in some way. I tend to watch Sky news now, lots of mature female presenters, would be very happy to see Martine on there.

The Beeb was wrong to instruct presenters to use the phrase "pregnant people" rather than women. This was where the bias lay.

Oh Auntie Beeb, what fresh batshittery is this...

Very well said

I used to be someone who not only strongly supported the BBC in principle but in my job. If the institution can't see how low its stock has fallen and how much this kind of fuckwittery contributes to that then maybe it really is at the end of its days - how very sad, given its historical contribution to British cultural life.

Exactly this. They are so lost. The leadership and activists must go - they will never behave honestly or honourably. I am gutted for the BBC.

Oh dear, Trans Activists are all over Facebook claiming it's wrong to say only women can get pregnant because girls can get pregnant too!
It's their new "reasonable" argument.

So they acknowledge it’s only females who can get pregnant then? That’s some progress.

“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear"

It appears someone at the BBC has totally misunderstood or deliberately misconstrued the quote they walk past every day next to the George Orwell statue.

They appear to think it means the right to tell people men are women 😂

I was interested in their "what you told us" infomercial a month ago, where it didn't give any detail AT ALL about what the diversity comments were. There was literally no point in having it because it was so vague - another waste of taxpayers £.

I saw this yesterday and wished there had been a comments section as it felt so surreal! I hope she knows we all appreciate these gestures and I hope she hasn't risked her job. Something to the public keep an eye on for her going forward.

Only total capitulation will do, and even that's not enough.

Maybe we should get every person with a penis at the beeb, who wants to keep this batshittery alive, to squeeze a grapefruit out of their urethera and then tell us they can give birth too? Only once they have done it can they say that.

They ignore the George Orwell statue in favour of Eric Gill.

Martine was just expressing what 99% of the population know. She has my full support. I was actually watching when this happened and I think I might have whooped and clapped.

The BBC is moronic and by saying 'pregnant people' they're not remaining impartial at all, which is their argument. They're buying into the eradication of women and females from language and they're pandering to the woke mob (who are clearly well represented in their offices and writing the news bulletins).

Martine, you're a star! Thank you for speaking out 💐

What the actual fuck?

Historically, girls were considered to be women once they started menstruating. Of course, nowadays in the UK we generally don’t treat girls as breeding machines from the moment they are fertile, but I’m sure any pregnant girls who happened to be listening to that news report would understand that, for the purposes of staying safe in a heatwave, they should consider themselves a pregnant woman.

Totally @MassiveWordSalad . I would even add that one of the many reasons why child marriage (which is always girl marriage, funny that) is a monstrous crime is that being pregnant / a mother definitely cannot equate with being a girl. I'm not fully against 15 yo having sex if it's not rape (I was close to myself, actually), but making them mothers at that age is absolutely robbing them of their late childhood.

My sympathies. It's a very tricky situation to be in, as I know from my own experience.

Good luck with the control of your facial expressions!

It's beyond ridiculous that she should be told off for responding as almost everyone in a real-world TV audience would to the foolish and insulting 'pregnant people' phrase, as if it weren't simply factual that all people who are pregnant are women.

The point is that's she's not 'almost everyone in the real world TV audience', she's the newsreader. A trained, experienced professional. It's literally her job to remain impartial regardless of how foolish or insulting something sounds, or her own views on the subject.

The rule is very simple: You must not express, or give the impression that you are expressing, a personal view.

She failed to do that. The subject matter of the story is completely irrelevant.

This the same BBC that's been exposed for being non neutral and editing stuff for clickbait?

This is about Trans men and non binary. Ie pregnant females who do not identify as women but... whatever (I don't think there are pregnant furries yet)

There is an angry Reddit comparing her to someone expressing partisan views on labour/ Tory (she was visibiy pleased about Boris Johnson resigning). Comments locked

The point is that's she's not 'almost everyone in the real world TV audience', she's the newsreader. A trained, experienced professional. It's literally her job to remain impartial regardless of how foolish or insulting something…

But surely a “trained, experienced professional” shouldn’t be required to lie and broadcast to the world someone she knows to be false? That’s not impartiality, that’s coerced speech. And she didn’t change the script, she added the word “women”. So arguably she made the piece more accessible, more inclusive, more accurate.