Advice please - TIM teacher just arrived at DD’s school

[KnottyAuty]

DD reports that the new teacher has asked to be referred to as she/her and Ms Smith. They are obviously male. DD isn’t happy about the power imbalance of potential behaviour points and detentions for non compliance.

I’ve got no idea how to advice DD how to handle this but obviously know from reading here that using this language is a safeguarding problem. Ms Smith should follow the same rules as all the other male teachers. If everyone must use this language, then it looks like the school is unable to tolerate GC beliefs.

Suggesting that DD respectfully avoids pronouns doesn’t seem workable as using the teacher’s name will include “Miss”….

Is there a gender neutral way of referring to a teacher like “Professor”?!

What do I advise DD so she can work within her GC beliefs? And what should I write to the school to say about this?

eta clarification

Why do you believe that forcing schoolgirls to call a male teacher "Miss" is in the category of basic human respect?

No they aren't specifically to safeguard against men. They are to uphold privacy and dignity for all. Particularly those who are vulnerable. As I keep saying, it isn't more appropriate for a female teacher to touch or observe a student or violate personal spaces than a male teacher.

There is evidence that as a group men who identify as trans present an increased risk over other men and all men present a hugely increased risk over women. That doesn’t mean each individual will go on to commit a sexual assault but safeguarding requires you to consider that they might and reduce the risk as much as possible. That means no men in women’s spaces regardless of how they identify, disclosure checks, chaperones etc.

Incidentally all trans/LBGT organisations recognise that men who identify as women are at very high risk of offending - they all have been campaigning on how impossible it is to keep such men out of women’s spaces despite the law being clear that they have no right to be there so would be committing sexual harassment/voyuerism/exposure if the entered such spaces. They talk of the need to have police guarding toilets to stop men who identify as trans forcing their way in.

Your beliefs I would guess? Most teenagers don’t have a problem with trans people (some may laugh about them, as teens do, but actually don’t have a problem with them really). Yes some do, but majority don’t seem to.
Anyway, the teacher is legally allowed to be referred to as they want, if they have a gender recognition certificate and a new birth certificate, Ms/Mrs/Miss is probably legally their title. If you don’t like it, that is your prerogative, but you may need to find a new school to keep you happy.

Basing this assertion on what?

No men who are prisoners and identify as trans, particularly during imprisonment, pose an increased risk. Not all men who may transition..

I can't actually work out what you're saying here. Are you missing some punctuation?

The teacher is legally allowed to request it. They are not legally allowed to demand it and students are not legally required to do so. GRC don’t affect the equality act but also don’t have honorifics on them.

Good question.

That the only people who pose an increased risk are men who transition after they become prisoners. That's what the research shows.

This can't be extrapolated to suggest that any man in the gen. Pop. who transitions poses as increased risk of sexually predatory behaviour.

Why aren’t prisoners an increased risk? You know there are other prisoners and staff in prison with them. And on too many cases the other prisoners, including those of male rapists who discovered their trans-ness in prison, those other prisoners are vulnerable women. And yes some of these male prisoners who identify as women have gone on to rape women prisoners.

Try out being a Transwoman?

Go to literally any forum for transwomen and you will see for yourself the vast majority had a huge fascination/obsession with women's clothes some from as early as 3. No, many crossdressing men do not go on to 'transition' but there is absolutely a correlation between Transwomen and crossdressing.

Where are you getting this from?

One of the reasons that we have single sex services is because men are so much more likely to commit violent and sexual crimes.

I'm sorry, youre just not making any sense. This is all just garbled gibberish.

So why do all the LBGT organisations make a big song and dance about having to guard women’s toilets to stop men who identify as trans from entering if they are all so law abiding?

And you don’t seem to understand how risk works.

The research is only applicable in prison populations. So it could be used to argue that men who transition after imprisonment should not be allowed to go to a women's prison, for example. It can't be used to argue that a trans woman in the general population is at increased risk of sexual offences. Particularly one with no prior history of such criminality.

Your daughter uses the teacher's choice of pronoun because that is the polite thing to do. Whether she uses the teacher's preferred pronoun is not going to change who the teacher thinks they are. Even if one does believe that gender changing is not real, those who do are all deluded, and it should be banned and people who want to told to stop being so stupid, having a pupil refuse to use your preferred pronoun is only going to make you think how rude the kid is, not that you are evil and/or deluded.

All the LGBT organisations I know of want trans women to use female toilets. Many pf them want to do away with gendered toilets altogether.

Children shouldn’t have to lie for adults.

No i am summarising what the research says. I'm sorry that it doesn't support your conclusions. Research can be a bugger like that.

There is no such thing as 'trans' - as in a distinct category of human being. What we have are male and female people, some of whom like to imagine themselves as the opposite sex; and who have been encouraged and enabled in this by about 30 years of Queer Theory and the gender identity ideology that emanated from it.

Just 15 years ago nobody had heard of 'Gender Identity' and it certainly wasn't. a thing in schools. I know this because I was teaching and because I have grown up children who were at school just before that time. It is a fairly recent phenomena.

Before that we had mainly what were called transsexuals.....who were either homosexual or autogynephilic men....and that is still the case. I really don't understand why people cannot trace the evolution of this for themselves?

That is a bit like saying cars are only at risk of crashing after they have crashed so we don’t need insurance.

It really isnt. If we thought men were that dangerous, we wouldnt let them in most of the caring roles that we do.

What is a 'gendered toilet'?

But they know they are not allowed so why are they claiming it is impossible to keep those men out?