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BBC trans coverage ‘censored’ by its own reporters Corporation’s LGBT desk ‘keeps other perspectives off air’, leaked internal dossier claims

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/11/2025 19:49

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5ac2c6a0bb851134

absolutely shocked.

no really….

BBC trans coverage ‘censored’ by its own reporters

Corporation’s LGBT desk ‘keeps other perspectives off air’, leaked internal dossier claims

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5ac2c6a0bb851134

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TempestTost · 07/11/2025 17:45

HildegardP · 07/11/2025 17:34

Until Davie rocked up & until the imbecile wheeze of austerity, the Beeb had loads of specialist beat journos as well as genuine regional news journalists. Now everything's cut to the bone & a tiny group of people control everything in News. It's a recipie for failure.

I'd be really curious to know how their proportion of hard news journalists has changed compared to others, and also how journalists vs management has changed (or not.)

In so many other organisations the people on the front lines doing the fundamental work seem to have been cut while managers and techs have increased.

Personally in most of these cases I think it creates a better product to cheap out on supporting roles - especially management - but maintain front line workers. The actual work gets done, as opposed to the ass covering that the management is largely involved with.

hamstersarse · 07/11/2025 17:49

nauticant · 07/11/2025 13:18

Whenever I've drawn this sort of comparison to Trump it's been with deep irony that for all of their evident hatred of the guy, particularly about his shaky relationship with facts and truth, that they'll look at some of what he does and think "actually that's a rather effective trick so let's do the same".

They are what they accuse you of

Anyone who constantly goes on about another person being A LIAR ( it’s always spat out) immediately is someone I know has not done any work on themselves and understood human nature

HildegardP · 07/11/2025 17:56

TempestTost · 07/11/2025 17:45

I'd be really curious to know how their proportion of hard news journalists has changed compared to others, and also how journalists vs management has changed (or not.)

In so many other organisations the people on the front lines doing the fundamental work seem to have been cut while managers and techs have increased.

Personally in most of these cases I think it creates a better product to cheap out on supporting roles - especially management - but maintain front line workers. The actual work gets done, as opposed to the ass covering that the management is largely involved with.

Private Eye have given the godawful restructuring a lot of coverage over the years, if you can face trawling through library archives.
In an ideal world SEEN in Journalism would knock out a nice explanatory podcast to catch everyone up, they have the inside knowledge.

nauticant · 07/11/2025 18:28

TempestTost · 07/11/2025 17:45

I'd be really curious to know how their proportion of hard news journalists has changed compared to others, and also how journalists vs management has changed (or not.)

In so many other organisations the people on the front lines doing the fundamental work seem to have been cut while managers and techs have increased.

Personally in most of these cases I think it creates a better product to cheap out on supporting roles - especially management - but maintain front line workers. The actual work gets done, as opposed to the ass covering that the management is largely involved with.

We've had a great example of this over the past couple of weeks in the Darlington nurses Employment Tribunal. Plenty of managers, HR, and DEI people in the NHS giving evidence of why any task that landed on their plate was not their responsibility. They seemed to define their jobs in terms of what they were not there to do.

HildegardP · 07/11/2025 19:37

IwantToRetire · 07/11/2025 17:45

I think we really need to understand that what to FWR seems like a core issue is one that the majority of people just dont care about.

The BBC like other news outlets is driven by competition. They dont go on about the Royal Family because the are royalist because the majority (idiot?) audience responds to it. Just as the popular news paper put pictures of the Royals on the front page.

Sadly to say most of the news we get is in response to audience reaction. 90% if not more of our news is now personality politics.

ie there is far more media reaction to a presenter being censored for making a face. (In responce to 20 complaints.)

So nice as it is to have somewhere to commisserate and talk with those who have a similar outlook it has no impact whatsoever on the media, bbc or any other, let alone the listening, reading public.

Short of Sex Matters (as no one else is doing anything) starting another legal challenge, its not likely to.

Particulary if as seems possible, somehow Labour negates the changes that the Supreme Court Judgement should bring about.

Sadly the group characterised as silly old women who haven't moved with times, are not going to get the sympathy of the young brave sons and daughters families support.

How do dinasours make themselves as lovable and worth saving.

Your suggestions re public attitudes don't entirely accord with polling though. It may not be a priority issue for a lot of people but the BBC's position is unpopular, I don't think it's even particularly popular within the BBC. That unpopularity is why so much effort goes into obfuscatory language, straightforward misreporting, & attempts to fabricate an impression of consensus, eg; the studious avoidance of reporting WPATH's flaws & follies.

IwantToRetire · 07/11/2025 19:44

That unpopularity is why so much effort goes into obfuscatory language, straightforward misreporting, & attempts to fabricate an impression of consensus, eg; the studious avoidance of reporting WPATH's flaws & follies.

That is ingrained TRA attitudes.

The problem is that the great British public is not telling news and other media outlooks they dont like it.

If they were the BBC would be taking note.

The go on not doing anything because compared to other responses they get, this criticism based on sex based rights just doesn't register.

Talkinpeace · 07/11/2025 19:44

Women's single sex spaces are not an issue for people
until they realise what is going on

and the no debate folks
are losing ground
and more and more people are peaking

IwantToRetire · 07/11/2025 19:45

But they dont act on it.

Telling a survey they think this doesn't translate into action or active support.

Talkinpeace · 07/11/2025 19:46

@IwantToRetire
What would you have them do ?

Its a shame that women are having to resort to lawfare

nauticant · 07/11/2025 19:56

What the BBC seem to be missing is the long-term strategic view. They shouldn't be making enemies now because the really tough times for them, and possible existential risks, are coming. Unless they have enough broad support in the population, they might be done in the next decade or so.

I think their strategy is that they've got to make friends in the coming generations. To them that means "trans rights" and other firmly progressive ideas. I don't think that will work.

IwantToRetire · 07/11/2025 20:19

Talkinpeace · 07/11/2025 19:46

@IwantToRetire
What would you have them do ?

Its a shame that women are having to resort to lawfare

Dont understand the question

IwantToRetire · 07/11/2025 20:21

Looks like the Telegraph isn't going to let this go. Support for women, or using women as a way to attack the BBC?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/07/bbc-gender-correspondent-tried-block-coverage-trans/

Can be read at https://archive.is/nUJVM

Talkinpeace · 07/11/2025 20:26

Its both and neither.

The Torygraph is pro nuclear family
and thus anti trans / non binary / non standard families

It is pro clear sex delineation
women at home looking after their hard working husbands
(forgets its old links with the Beaumont society)

Its anti BBC
because free markets
but the US media are weakilings

Sir Herbert Gusset, disgusted of Tunbridge Wells, is thriving on this

TempestTost · 07/11/2025 23:00

Talkinpeace · 07/11/2025 20:26

Its both and neither.

The Torygraph is pro nuclear family
and thus anti trans / non binary / non standard families

It is pro clear sex delineation
women at home looking after their hard working husbands
(forgets its old links with the Beaumont society)

Its anti BBC
because free markets
but the US media are weakilings

Sir Herbert Gusset, disgusted of Tunbridge Wells, is thriving on this

Is that really plausible?

There are no working mothers on staff? Men with wives who are working mothers?

Or is the claim that there aren't any (many) Tory working mothers?

That seems unbelievable on the face of it.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 07/11/2025 23:08

TempestTost · 07/11/2025 23:00

Is that really plausible?

There are no working mothers on staff? Men with wives who are working mothers?

Or is the claim that there aren't any (many) Tory working mothers?

That seems unbelievable on the face of it.

Don’t feed the trolls.

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 07/11/2025 23:09

IwantToRetire · 07/11/2025 20:21

Looks like the Telegraph isn't going to let this go. Support for women, or using women as a way to attack the BBC?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/07/bbc-gender-correspondent-tried-block-coverage-trans/

Can be read at https://archive.is/nUJVM

The telegraph hate the BBC. Only now they have concrete reasons and evidence to do so.

I hope it kills the BBC as it stands now.

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/11/2025 07:06

Guardian taking its usual interesting angle

www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/07/boris-johnson-trying-to-undermine-bbc-leadership-insiders-fear-after-leak

BigGirlBoxers · 08/11/2025 07:06

Interesting article about this in the guardian today, revealing some of the grifting/partisan origins of this particular attack on the BBC. It is a shame that completely legit critiques of the BBC's trans coverage seem to have been folded into a wider, politically motivated, assault on their neutrality.

Interestingly (and to my great relief) the guardian does not use their story as an opportunity to bang on about trans rights and undermine any move towards a more diligent and balanced reporting of trans issues. They focus on the other criticisms made in the report.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/07/boris-johnson-trying-to-undermine-bbc-leadership-insiders-fear-after-leak

Boris Johnson trying to undermine BBC leadership, insiders fear after leak

Director general under pressure after release of memo criticising reporting on Trump, trans rights and Gaza

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/07/boris-johnson-trying-to-undermine-bbc-leadership-insiders-fear-after-leak

NeelyOHara · 08/11/2025 07:15

HildegardP · 07/11/2025 17:34

Until Davie rocked up & until the imbecile wheeze of austerity, the Beeb had loads of specialist beat journos as well as genuine regional news journalists. Now everything's cut to the bone & a tiny group of people control everything in News. It's a recipie for failure.

Cut to the bone? At the bbc? No, it’s fatter than it’s ever been.

nauticant · 08/11/2025 07:44

Maybe they've cut the muscle away leaving the fat still in place.

BonfireLady · 08/11/2025 08:20

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/11/2025 07:06

I might have missed it but I couldn't see any mention of the trans coverage issue except in the subheading.

If (like I used to) I only still read the Guardian and watched the BBC, I'd have not even noticed that there were any concerns about trans coverage and my main takeaway would have been to reaffirm my opinion (that I still hold) that Johnson is a bully. I wouldn't have cared that much about the dossier because I had far more trust in the BBC (at that time) than Johnson.

BonfireLady · 08/11/2025 08:51

Interesting story from the BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgk8gjkn3xo#amp_tf

However, it does also highlight their bias by omission very well and how this supposedly achieves "balance".

There are two points at which Jo Phoenix's "gender critical belief" is mentioned:

1) Lawyers for the County Durham and Darlington NHS Trust said Prof Phoenix was "gender critical", meaning she believed sex was "immutable", which could colour her "independence".

  1. The whole of the last section from this sentence onwards: She said she did hold gender critical views but they did "not cloud" her academic judgement.

But at no point whatsoever does the BBC article mention that the law agrees with Jo Phoenix that sex is immutable, following the clarification from the Supreme Court. Instead, it leaves the reader with an idea that Jo's views come from a place of bias based on her belief (rather than a "bias" based on supporting the law). It's definitely better than previous coverage of theirs but this omission is appalling.

A group of women arrive at the tribunal office. At the head of the group is Bethany Hutchison, who has long blond hair and is wearing a red coat. Beside her are several smartly dressed women with long brown hair.

Darlington trans nurse tribunal told of women's changing room fears

The Darlington hospital employment tribunal hears from a sociology and crime professor.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgk8gjkn3xo#amp_tf

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/11/2025 09:05

BonfireLady · 08/11/2025 08:20

I might have missed it but I couldn't see any mention of the trans coverage issue except in the subheading.

If (like I used to) I only still read the Guardian and watched the BBC, I'd have not even noticed that there were any concerns about trans coverage and my main takeaway would have been to reaffirm my opinion (that I still hold) that Johnson is a bully. I wouldn't have cared that much about the dossier because I had far more trust in the BBC (at that time) than Johnson.

Yes that's exactly what I meant. They've ignored it completely and bundled it up under a heading all about how awful boris Johnson is plotting against the beeb

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