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BBC trans coverage ‘censored’ by its own reporters Corporation’s LGBT desk ‘keeps other perspectives off air’, leaked internal dossier claims

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/11/2025 19:49

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5ac2c6a0bb851134

absolutely shocked.

no really….

BBC trans coverage ‘censored’ by its own reporters

Corporation’s LGBT desk ‘keeps other perspectives off air’, leaked internal dossier claims

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5ac2c6a0bb851134

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DamnTheCheesemongers · 12/11/2025 20:51

Thank you @BungledBundle. Listening now. Nick Ferrari is more smarmy than I remember.

DamnTheCheesemongers · 12/11/2025 21:03

Well. That was short and sweet. Evan Davis really couldn't change the subject quickly enough could he? Helen Lewis being surprisingly forthright there too, normally I think she's a little bit too much on the fence but credit where it's due.

I presume Evan had to go and say 10 TWAWs in penance.

ScrollingLeaves · 12/11/2025 22:19

IwantToRetire · 05/11/2025 20:13

This was reported some time ago. And discussed on FWR.

Which just shows the BBC dont care and / or the TRAs have the power.

And of course that the public doesn't care.

Well didn't before, will they care now?

I think it comes from the same complacency and ignorance at the top as shown by Rory Stewart and Alistair Campbell. They think so what if a very few men want to dress as women, this is just a culture war started by the far right evangelical Americans. “There is nothing to see here” thinking….Give it to the ‘experts’ trained by Stonewall to deal with.

It will, very very stupidly, due to their presumptions and arrogance, never have occurred to them to get some advice from someone like Kathleen Stock or Helen Joyce et al to learn about the depths of distortion oozing through all institutions including their own, and the immense harm being caused to children and women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/11/2025 05:41

To be fair to Emily Maitlis, she has been labelled a “TERF” in the past, for eg the TRAs weren’t happy with this “grilling” of the foolish Lib Dem Sarah Wollaston in 2019:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07wys21

BBC Two - Newsnight, Lib Dem manifesto pledges Gender Recognition Act reform

Lib Dem manifesto pledges Gender Recognition Act reform

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07wys21

RayonSunrise · 13/11/2025 06:04

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/11/2025 05:41

To be fair to Emily Maitlis, she has been labelled a “TERF” in the past, for eg the TRAs weren’t happy with this “grilling” of the foolish Lib Dem Sarah Wollaston in 2019:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07wys21

I’ve observed a lot of the most vociferous criticism of women with public profiles not being stridently GC enough comes from people posting comfortably under pseudonyms. Ironic, really.

Hoardasurass · 13/11/2025 07:43

Well I'm shocked but the BBC has finally admitted that they have been biased in their reporting of "trans issues" and told their staff to cover both sides of the debate.
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Dose anyone know where I can find a copy of the new style guide?

BBC News boss admits: We haven’t got our trans coverage right

Director of news content tells journalists to consider all views when covering gender debate

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/455269db1e197c4a

BeKindWisely · 13/11/2025 08:29

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/11/2025 05:41

To be fair to Emily Maitlis, she has been labelled a “TERF” in the past, for eg the TRAs weren’t happy with this “grilling” of the foolish Lib Dem Sarah Wollaston in 2019:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07wys21

So interesting watching this retrospectively.

Especially re SW's arguments about rape crisis centres and changing rooms.
The classic 'that didn't age well'.

I wonder where her thinking is now.

I thought Maitliss was very strong in her pushback in this interview.

Thanks for posting this.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 13/11/2025 08:37

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/11/13/bbc-news-boss-admits-we-havent-got-our-trans-coverage-right/

(as above)

Richard Burgess, the corporation’s director of news content, told journalists in an all-staff call on Wednesday that they must cover the gender debate impartially and consider the views of both sides.

this is very big news I think.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/11/13/bbc-news-boss-admits-we-havent-got-our-trans-coverage-right

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 13/11/2025 08:43

Especially with several big cases coming up for a judgement.

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Shortshriftandlethal · 13/11/2025 09:00

Hoardasurass · 13/11/2025 07:43

Well I'm shocked but the BBC has finally admitted that they have been biased in their reporting of "trans issues" and told their staff to cover both sides of the debate.
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Just calling it 'trans coverage' is a biased act because it places the emphahsis on 'gender identity' as a concept taken as fact and without question - above the issue of the established rights and protections of female people.

And let's not forget there wasn't even a debate until a few years ago because the BBC and other media fonts completely ignored and suppressed any alternative perspective.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/11/2025 09:07

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Shortshriftandlethal · 13/11/2025 09:15

EasternStandard · 09/11/2025 20:06

So they edited out the biology line. That’s ridiculous, what are they so afraid of?

Good question.

Exactly what is it that makes even the most vocal, outspoken politico scared to even engage with the subject? I've never come across so many people so frightened to voice an honest view on a subject.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/11/2025 09:17

SionnachRuadh · 11/11/2025 19:18

Morph is VERY VERY ANGRY

My heart is gripped and my blood pressure rises the moment I read any of his rants.

Lalgarh · 13/11/2025 09:40
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Morph!

ScrollingLeaves · 13/11/2025 10:42

Hoardasurass · 13/11/2025 07:43

Well I'm shocked but the BBC has finally admitted that they have been biased in their reporting of "trans issues" and told their staff to cover both sides of the debate.
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I hate the term both sides of the debate. The idea that there is a ⚖️ is false in this context.

The issues need separating:
The Debate, as far as that can be divided into two (unequal) sides could be said to have:

On one side- all those who are transactivis or trans ‘allies’, so more people than just those who have trans feelings about themselves, but still no where near 50% of the population. These would include the many simple Be-Kinders with zero understanding of deeper issues especially if they aren’t affected themselves whom our institutions keep uninformed at best, misinformed at worst.

On the other side - GC people; plus, if they were allowed the information, the other ‘kind’ ordinary men and women who would agree if they were not being confused by terms such as ‘transwoman’ (with the BBC reprimanding J Webb from explaining it to them) and confused into thinking the NHS is scientific and reliable, and that schools are trustworthy while they misinform them. Who are ignorant of the Cass report regarding the underlying problems for those children who believe they are trans, ignorant that the vast majority of Transwomen are intact males, ignorant that among transwomen some have a sexual fetish. Who think being trans is like being gay or black and the latest minority human rights issue.

The real issue, with no ‘both sides debate’ is - the equivalent of an event such as a hurricane which exists in its own right without debate, long before any debate about it makes sense:

The more than 50% of the population who are women, plus X% of the population who are vulnerable children - and also, most likely, the kind but ignorant of they but knew more - who are being adversely affected through ( in no particular order):

  • the brainwashing, confusing and trans grooming of children in education and social media
  • the removal of sexed language regarding biology and motherhood and in everyday speech,
  • the right not to be subjected to enforced work-place pronoun announcements
  • the removal of privacy, dignity and safety in confined spaces,
  • the right to male free abuse centres and rape counselling,
  • the right to fair sports competition,
  • the right to science based, not transactivist based, healthcare in the NHS ( for example a baby’s right not to fed male chemical chest milk) and the right to have no confusion over your sex in the NHS
  • the right for lesbian or gay to mean same sex attracted.
  • the right to female only prizes
  • the right for women to not be falsely accounting
for male crimes in police statistics.
moto748e · 13/11/2025 12:05

Spot-on, @ScrollingLeaves .👏

logiccalls · 13/11/2025 17:20

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ScrollingLeaves · 13/11/2025 10:42

I hate the term both sides of the debate. The idea that there is a ⚖️ is false in this context.

The issues need separating:
The Debate, as far as that can be divided into two (unequal) sides could be said to have:

On one side- all those who are transactivis or trans ‘allies’, so more people than just those who have trans feelings about themselves, but still no where near 50% of the population. These would include the many simple Be-Kinders with zero understanding of deeper issues especially if they aren’t affected themselves whom our institutions keep uninformed at best, misinformed at worst.

On the other side - GC people; plus, if they were allowed the information, the other ‘kind’ ordinary men and women who would agree if they were not being confused by terms such as ‘transwoman’ (with the BBC reprimanding J Webb from explaining it to them) and confused into thinking the NHS is scientific and reliable, and that schools are trustworthy while they misinform them. Who are ignorant of the Cass report regarding the underlying problems for those children who believe they are trans, ignorant that the vast majority of Transwomen are intact males, ignorant that among transwomen some have a sexual fetish. Who think being trans is like being gay or black and the latest minority human rights issue.

The real issue, with no ‘both sides debate’ is - the equivalent of an event such as a hurricane which exists in its own right without debate, long before any debate about it makes sense:

The more than 50% of the population who are women, plus X% of the population who are vulnerable children - and also, most likely, the kind but ignorant of they but knew more - who are being adversely affected through ( in no particular order):

  • the brainwashing, confusing and trans grooming of children in education and social media
  • the removal of sexed language regarding biology and motherhood and in everyday speech,
  • the right not to be subjected to enforced work-place pronoun announcements
  • the removal of privacy, dignity and safety in confined spaces,
  • the right to male free abuse centres and rape counselling,
  • the right to fair sports competition,
  • the right to science based, not transactivist based, healthcare in the NHS ( for example a baby’s right not to fed male chemical chest milk) and the right to have no confusion over your sex in the NHS
  • the right for lesbian or gay to mean same sex attracted.
  • the right to female only prizes
  • the right for women to not be falsely accounting
for male crimes in police statistics.

I hate the term both sides of the debate. The idea that there is a ⚖️ is false in this context.

If it had been a normal debate GC should have been the default position and GI should have had the burden of proof. What that means is that the redefinition of gender as being something other than sex should have been treated with suspicion. Gender identity as something other than an theoretical academic concept should should have attributed to someone within the context of trans stories not taken as a given. Pronouns should never, ever have been used in criminal cases. In any story in which incongruent pronouns are used, it should be made clear what the person's sex is, and that pronouns are being granted as courtesy of address even though they're in conflict with person in question's sex. Circumlocutions of sex should never be made, the courtesy of address extends only to male and female and not to non-binary. If the sex is of the individual is not available it should be made clear in the story explicitly, thus motivating the neutral usage of the pronouns they/them/their or repeated use of the individual's name rather than pronouns.

In entertainment, such as I Kissed a Boy, gender transition in non-fictional works should never be celebrated and treated as a positive realization of true identity. Having one's breasts amputated should not be treated as a normal process for allowing women able to appear shirtless. The sensitivity process which is a bureaucratic function to bring scripts into ideological conformance so that trans characters are included where they are absent, promoted, celebrated and never shown in a bad light should be dis-applied. (This should not mean that entertainment pieces can't present trans individuals in a positive light, it means that creatives must be permitted freedom to include or not include the topic and free to deal with it frankly)

Some of these (there are many more) might seem reactionary and an excessive recalibration. Fair enough, maybe they are. But it illustrates the degree to which radical pro-trans bias is embedded ideologically in the BBC with zero debate about its appropriateness.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 13/11/2025 17:50

GallantKumquat · 13/11/2025 17:25

I hate the term both sides of the debate. The idea that there is a ⚖️ is false in this context.

If it had been a normal debate GC should have been the default position and GI should have had the burden of proof. What that means is that the redefinition of gender as being something other than sex should have been treated with suspicion. Gender identity as something other than an theoretical academic concept should should have attributed to someone within the context of trans stories not taken as a given. Pronouns should never, ever have been used in criminal cases. In any story in which incongruent pronouns are used, it should be made clear what the person's sex is, and that pronouns are being granted as courtesy of address even though they're in conflict with person in question's sex. Circumlocutions of sex should never be made, the courtesy of address extends only to male and female and not to non-binary. If the sex is of the individual is not available it should be made clear in the story explicitly, thus motivating the neutral usage of the pronouns they/them/their or repeated use of the individual's name rather than pronouns.

In entertainment, such as I Kissed a Boy, gender transition in non-fictional works should never be celebrated and treated as a positive realization of true identity. Having one's breasts amputated should not be treated as a normal process for allowing women able to appear shirtless. The sensitivity process which is a bureaucratic function to bring scripts into ideological conformance so that trans characters are included where they are absent, promoted, celebrated and never shown in a bad light should be dis-applied. (This should not mean that entertainment pieces can't present trans individuals in a positive light, it means that creatives must be permitted freedom to include or not include the topic and free to deal with it frankly)

Some of these (there are many more) might seem reactionary and an excessive recalibration. Fair enough, maybe they are. But it illustrates the degree to which radical pro-trans bias is embedded ideologically in the BBC with zero debate about its appropriateness.

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The sensitivity process which is a bureaucratic function to bring scripts into ideological conformance

No, that's its cover story. Sensitivity readers and similar gatekeepers are a grift. These people get paid to veto someone's work based on no objective evidence, just claimed lived experience. They are one aspect of the wider EDI Industrial Complex.

HildegardP · 13/11/2025 18:45

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/11/2025 09:15

Good question.

Exactly what is it that makes even the most vocal, outspoken politico scared to even engage with the subject? I've never come across so many people so frightened to voice an honest view on a subject.

Have you ever read "Galileo's Middle Finger" by Alice Dreger? It's quite the eye-opener concerning the way Gender Identitarians operate against their perceived enemies. Michael Bailey is still subject to this abuse, defamation & harrassment 20 years later, as are many others although perhaps not for quite so long.
The GI activists astroturf the web with their baseless accusations & partial accounts. For example, you'll readily find them rehearsing Ken Zucker's suspension from running the gender clinic at Toronto Children's Hospital but you'll never find them admitting that the accusations against him were invented & malicious, or that TCH had to settle with him to the tune of half a million dollars.

ArabellaSaurus · 13/11/2025 19:34

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/nov/13/reporter-deborah-cohen-questions-claim-bbc-bias-trans-issues

'A reporter at the heart of the BBC’s coverage of gender dysphoria has questioned claims that the corporation shows “systemic bias” on trans issues, saying it ran a series of reports without any interference.
Claims that the BBC had failed to properly cover gender and trans issues formed part of a memo alleging “serious and systemic problems” of bias at the corporation.
...
However, Deborah Cohen, a reporter who took on controversial topics around gender dysphoria and its treatment, said the BBC had run several reports and that she had not experienced any internal attempts to stop or shape her reporting.
“The Prescott report highlights a couple of examples of stories that the BBC didn’t do on critical issues. It fails to point out the large number of impactful stories we did do,” she told the Guardian.
“Prescott highlights a couple of examples where other outlets covered issues the BBC didn’t. But at the time of our coverage, not many national outlets were reporting critically on the clinical and evidence-based aspects of gender medicine.
“A few specialist journalists told me it was too toxic to go near. Neither did many medical and scientific publications cover these issues in depth. The BBC, however, did – and this was at the height of the polarisation.
“It would be more accurate, and fairer, to acknowledge what was achieved despite the climate.”
Cohen said reports were broadcast on Newsnight and File on 4 and published on BBC News online. She said there were additional items on programmes such as The World at One and Woman’s Hour.'

BBC reporter who covered gender dysphoria questions claim of ‘systemic bias’

Deborah Cohen says she is not aware of any attempts within corporation to stop or shape her reporting on trans issues

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/nov/13/reporter-deborah-cohen-questions-claim-bbc-bias-trans-issues

BonfireLady · 13/11/2025 19:54

ArabellaSaurus · 13/11/2025 19:34

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/nov/13/reporter-deborah-cohen-questions-claim-bbc-bias-trans-issues

'A reporter at the heart of the BBC’s coverage of gender dysphoria has questioned claims that the corporation shows “systemic bias” on trans issues, saying it ran a series of reports without any interference.
Claims that the BBC had failed to properly cover gender and trans issues formed part of a memo alleging “serious and systemic problems” of bias at the corporation.
...
However, Deborah Cohen, a reporter who took on controversial topics around gender dysphoria and its treatment, said the BBC had run several reports and that she had not experienced any internal attempts to stop or shape her reporting.
“The Prescott report highlights a couple of examples of stories that the BBC didn’t do on critical issues. It fails to point out the large number of impactful stories we did do,” she told the Guardian.
“Prescott highlights a couple of examples where other outlets covered issues the BBC didn’t. But at the time of our coverage, not many national outlets were reporting critically on the clinical and evidence-based aspects of gender medicine.
“A few specialist journalists told me it was too toxic to go near. Neither did many medical and scientific publications cover these issues in depth. The BBC, however, did – and this was at the height of the polarisation.
“It would be more accurate, and fairer, to acknowledge what was achieved despite the climate.”
Cohen said reports were broadcast on Newsnight and File on 4 and published on BBC News online. She said there were additional items on programmes such as The World at One and Woman’s Hour.'

This sounds like a very different recollection of events from the way that Hannah Barnes described things.

Given they worked together on Newsnight, and HB talked about the programme not being promoted or followed up on like another story that size would have been, I'm not quite sure what to make of Deborah Cohen's take on things. The first question that popped into my head was "who is she protecting?". With the second being "and why?"

borntobequiet · 13/11/2025 19:55

On Woman’s Hour?

Fucking cheek.

BonfireLady · 13/11/2025 19:56

I mean yes, there have been some isolated cases of good reporting. But they've been buried amongst an avalanche of bias and the thread of what's really going on (the medical scandal and the enforcement of a new meaning to words like "woman" and "man") has definitely not been picked up.

BonfireLady · 13/11/2025 19:58

borntobequiet · 13/11/2025 19:55

On Woman’s Hour?

Fucking cheek.

If the grilling that Helen Joyce endured counts as this, to balance all of the fawning that multiple TW experienced, then..... er..... yes, they covered it.

#sarcasm