Is it not possible to have "trans rights" and "women's rights" at the same time?

[Artmumcreative]

I suppose I just think debate is too polarised. I think the answer might be to have third spaces (e.g. a separate toilet a bit like a disabled toilet) for trans women, so they're safe and women are safe. I think it would be nice if women supported transpeople and transpeople supported women (e.g at a trans rights demo and a women's rights demo). Not all transwomen are rapists, just as not all men are.

Pre about 2015 when this shit all went completely doolally dip, how often were you asked to perform a “gametal inspection”? Or did women just use the women’s changing rooms at the gym with zero expectations that there might be a man in there with his cock out? And if you had seen a man in there with his willy on show, would you have asked how he identified and re-assured him that you’re just fine with it or would you have shouted for a manager with a reasonable expectation that the manager would then evict them and the support of all other women in the room who knew they had the right to a space free of penises and their owners without fear of being branded a bigot?

No-one needs to prove their chromosomes (except for sports) or pull down their pants to prove they are women, no one is asking for that, no one needs it, what we need is for the societal norms, expectations and behaviours to stop pretending that TWAW and accept that TWAM and that means they are excluded from women only things.

No it's for men to stay out of womens single sex spaces.

Men who decide to walk round the place dressed as some sort of prostitute from the 80s are at risk just walking round, the risk doesn't really heighten in the mens toilets. So if they feel at risk, just put some clothes on pal. Like the rest of us.

The people who are 'at risk' are those that supposedly 'pass' because apparently men are unable to stop attacking them when in a confined space. But allowing any men into female spaces also allows all the men who are unable to stop attacking people when in a confined space into female spaces so it just creates as many problems as it solves [even not accounting for the reduction in ability to protect ones self that women and girls have].

Because there is no maths that makes this work, all they have is shouting 'STRAW MAN' every time this is discussed or screaming 'GENITAL INSPECTIONS' at anyone wanting to have some fucking standards in daily life.

Oh and going into female forums and screaming STRAW MAN and GENITAL INSPECTIONS every time the topic is discussed.

Thinking about it, it's good that we've had one of the 'you'd have to have gamete inspections!!!' TRA's on this thread.

Helpful for all those who have presumably had their fingers firmly in their ears for the last ten years and are now, in solemn voices, earnestly telling women on here that 'surely third spaces are the answer'.

And toilets. It's always toilets.

I guess changing rooms, rape crisis services, domestic abuse refuges, prisons etc etc are a touch more difficult to hand wave away than toilets with the inevitable 'they just want to peeeee!' refrain.

As has been explained to you repeatedly, the way it always was policed prior to 15 years ago.

No one needs to do 'gEnItaL iNspEcTIonS', or gametal inspections.
And it's obvious as soon as a female speaks and/or turns around.

You are trying to create a problem that never existed for a century until the last 10-15 years.

Like when everyone did what they wanted & nobody cared?
Sounds like a plan….😂

Males didn't enter females spaces and if they did, any female would tell you would most certainly cared!

Yeah, sure they did…

You mean when men did what they wanted, men didn’t care and women who did care had to STFU ? That past is the one that existed but you either didn’t know it or don’t care.

yeah, we’re not going back to that.

Great when the incels make their argument clear isn't it?

I've seen third spaces. No sign of anyone being harmed by using them.

Nice try, but there was nary a whisper from women on dunny policing till recent times when it became a lucrative grift…

Isn't it just?

I mean as always we think Howse for his valuable service in highlighting just how much men always make it about them and try to occupy all the space/attention/noise even virtually.

Translation:

'Why won't women who don't agree with me be seen & not heard?'

I have a vivid memory of a predatory man being hauled out of the ladies by a security guard. I was a small child at the time - 80s. It happened.

Yes we women most certainly did care if a male was in the ladies. Only a male divorced from all semblance of reality doesn't know this.

So how are businesses supposed to pay for that? A much cheaper solution is mixed gender, single sex spaces and everyone uses the facilities relevant to their sex. Cheap, easy and practical.

Because it wasn't 'needed'. The social contract, shame, police charges and being beaten to within in an inch of their life meant it didn't happen.

We're talking about women. Not males like yourself.

But, that is an interesting admission of the position of transactivists on women speaking.

It is rather a case of women and girls had no idea that our dunnies were open to any male person who wanted to access them:

Yes, there are in various places.
Our local pool changing village has always had 3 areas so it accommodates women, men and mixed sex families in a sensible way - most of the need for mixed sex spaces, in the real world, is for parents and children. We need more of these - and if they’re being built with it clear kids will be using them then the need for proper privacy and safety should be baked in.

Its not 0.5% of the population its less than 0.1% who are trans identifying males (the figures of trans from the last census were discredited (1st time ever for ons census data) due to the dodgy question).
The question everyone should be asking is why are the unreasonable demands of less than 0.1% of the population which effectively strip 51% of the populations (women's) rights away from them even being listened to let alone acted on?

I love Howse’s random italics. It’s adorable.