An event invitation I got. What does this wording even mean?

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There’s a networking event for female leaders next week. One of the questions was ‘can men attend?’ This is what the response is. HUH?

Hear Here is forming, and we are learning as we go. For this event, we are creating a space specifically for female, non-binary, agender, and gender non-conforming people. In future, we may look to extend this to allies and all.

It's a word salad that means nothing. It doesn't answer as to whether any males will be in attendance

Ask for them to reply in English?

It means we want to create a female space, and we don't want to exclude women who identify as NB etc, oh no what about the ones that say they don't have a gender, oh shit just put a load of the terms in there and also say allies as well cos that's important apparently and we won't say men and we will just hope no men come but if they do we will be too scared to say no.

it means: yes, men can come

Took it to read that
“actually yes men in fact can come”

Oh dear. So by ‘female leaders’ they actually mean ‘anyone’. Which renders the event meaningless.

Sounds like the answer is a definite yes to me, but if you ask them of course they won't say that as man doesn't equal.penis haver in woke-land.

It means it's for men as well - it also means that they are now woefully behind the curve on this. Any organisation worth its salt is reverse ferreting on that sort of nonsense

Yes, it means men pretending they’re women can come this time, and next time maybe all men can come.

i don’t think they even have to be trans if it’s just gender non conforming. Unless they can identify specifics it could include a bloke with long hair or the guy who emptied the dishwasher last night, I guess.

Because it would be so confusing to say that the event is open to anyone registered female at birth.

and more over it means 'we're too scared to tell men they can't come. but we still want to pat ourselves on the back for being feminists'

So stupid anyway, because if they were totally on board the trans train, they would think TW were (or should count as) female/women anyway, so they would just say "It's for women".

The response is cowardly and vague but it also makes very clear that when the question "can men attend" was asked, they immediately thought of "non-binary people" and "gender non-conforming people". In other words they understand that if these people are male they are men pretending to be something else. Otherwise why bring them into the "men" question?

So… Men can attend. Can you find a man who’d be prepared to give it a go?

By “a man”, I mean an actual man,

I think it means: We don't know what we are doing or why. Plus, we are a bit scared.

Hear Here is forming

Is the event title a quote from Succession or The Thick of It? 😅

I dunno, I actually read it as
Female
female agender
Female non binary
Female non gender confirming (aka trans men?)
In future they may consider letting allies (the lads) and all (everyone left which is nobody) too.

I think they're trying to say is for women, while not pissing off the woke folx. Which we all know they can't, it's impossible.

But the fact it's so unclear means it's desperate wordy old bollocks.

I also read it as no
Female only however they identify
No males, however they identify

They should have worded it better though.

ChatGPT agrees and suggests one of these to make it clearer

This event is a space for females only. That includes anyone born female, including trans men. It’s not open to males, including trans women.

This is a single-sex event for females only. All females are welcome, including trans men. This space is not open to males, including trans women.

Attendance at this event is limited to females only. This includes anyone who is female, regardless of gender identity (for example, trans men). It is not open to males, including trans women.

Id question their wording op but I don't think they want men there

They mean they'd like it to be for women, but they don't want to piss anyone who might come at them off, so it's for all those people too.

Apologies for this flippant comment... but does gender non conforming include men who occasionally do the dishes or change a nappy?

Bizarre to say gender non-conforming women are welcome, when surely the whole point of the event is to encourage women not to conform to gender by being leaders?

I think that sometimes these types of invitation to a women's event are trying to include women who identify as 'non-binary' or whatever; but in practice it, of course, means open to absolutely anyone, men included, as long as they declare the correct identity.

The word 'woman' has been colonised and usurped to mean anyone who is oppressed by 'the patriarchy'. 'The patriarchy' is where white, heterosexual, 'cis' men live.

Female - comma - non-binary etc….. in other words everyone except bog standard men who ‘identify’ as men.

Good that you are welcome if you don’t want sex that day.