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LoudSnoringDog · 25/10/2025 07:20

SquirrelosaurusSoShiny · 22/10/2025 08:02

Jess Philips seems permanently misguided. I think she struggles to balance a genuine desire to help women and girls against the desire not to be excluded from her 'right on' friends and peers. So women still end up under the bus to protect the feelings of men in dresses, men with brown skin etc because her circle tells her that THEY are even more vulnerable than teenagers in care being raped are.

Think you have absolutely nailed it here.

I know of someone who has had lots of involvement and huge support from Jess with driving through gun licensing laws. I have seen her passion for keeping women and girls safe with regard to this particular issue.
however…to keep her seat she needs to keep her electorate and that’s where we see the misbalance. She’s feeding another beast here.

Lalgarh · 25/10/2025 09:31

SionnachRuadh · 24/10/2025 12:16

I'm not an ethnographer, but there's a definite Mediterranean friends-of-Frank-Sinatra style of crime that's based on clans rather than "gangs" as Brits understand them. You get that in Sicily, Calabria, Malta, Albania, Montenegro. And then in diaspora communities.

A lot of that will be a function of feudalism and economic backwardness. I get the impression that Pakistanis from Karachi or Lahore think of Mirpuris the way Italians from Rome or Milan think of Sicilians.

Normie white Brits have a problem grasping minority crime because they're not used to thinking in extended family terms.

Absolutely this

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/10/2025 09:38

Lalgarh · 24/10/2025 21:50

Of course she's had guardian articles

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/may/08/asian-sex-gangs-on-street-grooming.
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https://www.theguardian.com/profile/ella-cockbain

Echoing @SionnachRuadh on the phenomenon of "Republican pounce" and a similar Socialist Worker article. If your main objection into looking into an issue is "it could embolden The Other Side", it's already doomed

IIRC she was involved in the government putting out figures that most “grooming gangs” were white.

ZoeCM · 25/10/2025 14:51

Over on the Labour UK subreddit, some posters are now gradually starting to admit that there's a problem - because it's "fodder for the far right". Their main concern isn't for the girls and women who were abused, but for the Asian men who may get caught up in the backlash. (And then even then, there are still a lot of posters saying that the racial element is being exaggerated, the victims are actually being paid off by Reform, etc.)

It's similar to the way that when a TIM commits a crime against women, the left's main concern is that this will create a backlash against the trans community. I really don't see how things are ever going to change. Neither side cares about women.

BundleBoogie · 25/10/2025 18:06

LoudSnoringDog · 25/10/2025 07:20

Think you have absolutely nailed it here.

I know of someone who has had lots of involvement and huge support from Jess with driving through gun licensing laws. I have seen her passion for keeping women and girls safe with regard to this particular issue.
however…to keep her seat she needs to keep her electorate and that’s where we see the misbalance. She’s feeding another beast here.

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A clear conflict of interests.

BundleBoogie · 25/10/2025 19:03

YourAmplePlumPoster · 25/10/2025 14:52

Worth a read if you can understand the math.
https://ispruk.substack.com/p/uk-grooming-gangs-deriving-per-capita

Wow thanks for sharing. It is quite an eye opener that non Chinese Asian and black men are so drastically over represented compared to white and Chinese Asian. I assume this is despite attempts by those invested in certain views to obscure the data.

And the proportion of these men in our country is growing as while we have a net migration of circa 400k per year (I think roughly) , the majority of those leaving will be white and there will be more Asian and black men entering so it skews the overall mix in society.

OneAmberFinch · 25/10/2025 21:38

BundleBoogie · 25/10/2025 19:03

Wow thanks for sharing. It is quite an eye opener that non Chinese Asian and black men are so drastically over represented compared to white and Chinese Asian. I assume this is despite attempts by those invested in certain views to obscure the data.

And the proportion of these men in our country is growing as while we have a net migration of circa 400k per year (I think roughly) , the majority of those leaving will be white and there will be more Asian and black men entering so it skews the overall mix in society.

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I think this is what the kids call "noticing"...

logiccalls · 26/10/2025 15:29

BundleBoogie · 25/10/2025 19:03

Wow thanks for sharing. It is quite an eye opener that non Chinese Asian and black men are so drastically over represented compared to white and Chinese Asian. I assume this is despite attempts by those invested in certain views to obscure the data.

And the proportion of these men in our country is growing as while we have a net migration of circa 400k per year (I think roughly) , the majority of those leaving will be white and there will be more Asian and black men entering so it skews the overall mix in society.

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I.i.r..c. there is a statistic somewhere about the numbers of babies born in UK to immigrants being now about half, rapidly approaching the majority? This would make sense, regardless of proportional representation of the current religious and ethnic ratio:

Cultural tendency, in many religions, (especially the ones followed most fervently, and governed only by males,) is to believe the main, or the only, reason for allowing women to exist at all, is so that their owner- husbands have free domestic labour, plus an entitlement to limitless, unfettered access to their reproductive systems, on demand.

There is an unsurprising match of those groups who have the least respect for women as equal humans, (with their contempt religiously and/ or culturally strengthened and encouraged,) and with the backgrounds of men most likely to act violently against women.

Farage has made a curious decision, to abolish the 'two child cap', and to promise extra money for breeders of the largest possible numbers of children.

Does Farage have ideas identical with those of Marxist Labour, believing nothing has changed in a hundred years, therefore NO new thinking is required?

Is he keen to overturn the last traces of the original UK inhabitants, in favour of incomers? Can he not comprehend statistics? Not use his eyes? Not use any logical brain?

Maybe all of the above, because NOBODY 'needs' breeders: UK and the world have mass unemployment, notably among YOUNG people, especially graduates. Russel group 'firsts' have not got jobs in the last two years, nor have UK trained doctors and nurses. 40% of existing jobs, in UK and the world, will soon be lost to A.I.

In UK there are millions too many humans. In the world, billions too many.

InsectsMatter · 26/10/2025 15:34

Jess Philips has to appease her Islamic constituency otherwise she will lose her seat so is prioritising her career over these exploited girls.

SionnachRuadh · 26/10/2025 17:37

I think the telling thing will be to compare Jess Phillips with her boss and constituency neighbour Shabana Mahmood, who has an even more heavily Muslim constituency and is herself from a Mirpuri background. Yet Shabana is more likely to do the right thing.

I would say my impression of them is, Jess has built a media persona around being a gobby woman who takes no shit, but she often buckles under pressure. Shabana is the tough customer who Jess would like to be.

BundleBoogie · 26/10/2025 17:53

SionnachRuadh · 26/10/2025 17:37

I think the telling thing will be to compare Jess Phillips with her boss and constituency neighbour Shabana Mahmood, who has an even more heavily Muslim constituency and is herself from a Mirpuri background. Yet Shabana is more likely to do the right thing.

I would say my impression of them is, Jess has built a media persona around being a gobby woman who takes no shit, but she often buckles under pressure. Shabana is the tough customer who Jess would like to be.

Yes, I must say that so far, Shabana Mahmood is saying the right things. Whether there is any more to it than that remains to be seen.

Jess just comes across as a promoter of Jess.

OhDear111 · 26/10/2025 20:55

@logiccallsDont think AI will be caring for you on your old age? RG universities and others have too many graduates. The cap on places was lifted in 2014 and it’s been downhill since. Plenty of grads with firsts aren’t that bright. They are good enough in a narrow academic subject but often lack other skills.

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GoldThumb · 27/10/2025 06:57

ZoeCM · 25/10/2025 14:51

Over on the Labour UK subreddit, some posters are now gradually starting to admit that there's a problem - because it's "fodder for the far right". Their main concern isn't for the girls and women who were abused, but for the Asian men who may get caught up in the backlash. (And then even then, there are still a lot of posters saying that the racial element is being exaggerated, the victims are actually being paid off by Reform, etc.)

It's similar to the way that when a TIM commits a crime against women, the left's main concern is that this will create a backlash against the trans community. I really don't see how things are ever going to change. Neither side cares about women.

Yep.

Lets not look too hard into Muslim rape gangs, in case it makes Muslims look bad.

I remember people on MN talking about the grooming gangs years ago, before any of the reports etc came out, and they were just dismissed as making it up, listening to Tommy Robinson, told ‘careful, your racism is showing’.

They seem to only care about VAWG when it’s being perpetrated by white men and the Catholic Church.

And seem to think they’re the ‘good guys’.

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OhDear111 · 27/10/2025 07:47

You cannot police a polarised country. Everyone takes offence at something. We need to ignore all of it. If most men were of Pakistani heritage - they were. It’s a fact. If it was 50%, then it’s 50%. It’s perfectly possible to add up the convictions! We will know the useless police were mostly white and probably not Muslim. No idea about the Social Workers and other people who didn’t do their jobs properly, but whatever happens, we need to hold these people to account. They all had a part to play in the abuse of girls.

I would favour a judge being Chairman. Their profession has no track record in this sorry saga. A retired police officer was never going to be acceptable.

They also need to be careful about victims disagreeing. Some do want to stay on the panel. What other Inquiry is being offered? If this turns the light on some in the Muslim community - so what? It’s necessary. As it was necessary to turn the light on various CofE and Catholic Church members. We cannot shy away from difficult decisions because it offends someone.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 27/10/2025 08:06

Should be a judge from a Commonwealth country like NZ, Canada or Australia. Someone who cannot be got at here.

givenitupnow · 27/10/2025 09:07

This all started back in the 1970s when there was a massive increase in the number of Pakistani immigrants (who have the right to come here legally) coming to settle in northern towns. There was a corresponding increase in the import and trade in heroin (from Afghanistan and Pakistan) and subsequent social problems associated with that. Everyone working in schools and social services knew about this and reports were being written and discussed, but there was really no communication between agencies.
The heroin trade is alive and well and is run out of the same businesses that are owned by the grooming gangs. It is organised crime and has been allowed to go on unchallenged for decades. The level of collaboration in national government and local government is significant. Everyone knows who is running these enterprises, but it is pointless reporting anything.
This Inquiry will never get off the ground because there are too many high profile people still involved.

LoudSnoringDog · 27/10/2025 09:22

givenitupnow · 27/10/2025 09:07

This all started back in the 1970s when there was a massive increase in the number of Pakistani immigrants (who have the right to come here legally) coming to settle in northern towns. There was a corresponding increase in the import and trade in heroin (from Afghanistan and Pakistan) and subsequent social problems associated with that. Everyone working in schools and social services knew about this and reports were being written and discussed, but there was really no communication between agencies.
The heroin trade is alive and well and is run out of the same businesses that are owned by the grooming gangs. It is organised crime and has been allowed to go on unchallenged for decades. The level of collaboration in national government and local government is significant. Everyone knows who is running these enterprises, but it is pointless reporting anything.
This Inquiry will never get off the ground because there are too many high profile people still involved.

THIS

BundleBoogie · 27/10/2025 09:24

OhDear111 · 27/10/2025 07:47

You cannot police a polarised country. Everyone takes offence at something. We need to ignore all of it. If most men were of Pakistani heritage - they were. It’s a fact. If it was 50%, then it’s 50%. It’s perfectly possible to add up the convictions! We will know the useless police were mostly white and probably not Muslim. No idea about the Social Workers and other people who didn’t do their jobs properly, but whatever happens, we need to hold these people to account. They all had a part to play in the abuse of girls.

I would favour a judge being Chairman. Their profession has no track record in this sorry saga. A retired police officer was never going to be acceptable.

They also need to be careful about victims disagreeing. Some do want to stay on the panel. What other Inquiry is being offered? If this turns the light on some in the Muslim community - so what? It’s necessary. As it was necessary to turn the light on various CofE and Catholic Church members. We cannot shy away from difficult decisions because it offends someone.

We will know the useless police were mostly white and probably not Muslim.

Do we know if that’s actually the case? There has been a big DEI push in public services, particularly the police for more ‘diversity’ so in a high concentration Muslim area (Jess Phillips constituency for eg is 45% Muslim, Birmingham as a whole is 35% Muslim.) we may find more Muslim police or at least enough to have the clout to prevent unwanted investigations.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/10/2025 09:29

I would say back in the day when the older incidents being looked at now were happening it’s probably true. As you say, not so much now.

Imnobody4 · 27/10/2025 09:29

Another excellent article from Trevor Phillips, I always thought he was a good bloke.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/89c3891f-ed5f-4d89-907a-652ac3972bf7?shareToken=b9c040e82f6979f8de89725c48c9bee2

The few victims who speak out are heroines. But the villains they can identify are only part of the awful story. The worst moral stench is attached to those who know the truth and turn a blind eye. They should stink to high heaven. But identifying and exposing them will be a painstaking, detailed, filthy task that needs to be pursued without distraction or complication.

That is why the inquiry must not be expanded in scope. We will never catch those who stood by and let it happen with some bureaucratic net, however skilfully spread. We need the cold, hard steel of an investigative rapier to skewer them

Grooming inquiry must stay true to victims

These crimes are distinct from other kinds of sexual abuse, both in terms of scale and ethnicity: to say otherwise is a lie

https://www.thetimes.com/article/89c3891f-ed5f-4d89-907a-652ac3972bf7?shareToken=b9c040e82f6979f8de89725c48c9bee2

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GoldThumb · 27/10/2025 09:32

Imnobody4 · 27/10/2025 09:29

Another excellent article from Trevor Phillips, I always thought he was a good bloke.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/89c3891f-ed5f-4d89-907a-652ac3972bf7?shareToken=b9c040e82f6979f8de89725c48c9bee2

The few victims who speak out are heroines. But the villains they can identify are only part of the awful story. The worst moral stench is attached to those who know the truth and turn a blind eye. They should stink to high heaven. But identifying and exposing them will be a painstaking, detailed, filthy task that needs to be pursued without distraction or complication.

That is why the inquiry must not be expanded in scope. We will never catch those who stood by and let it happen with some bureaucratic net, however skilfully spread. We need the cold, hard steel of an investigative rapier to skewer them

I like Trevor Phillips.

He seems to say it as how he sees it, and doesn’t seem to give a shit if it goes against the ‘narrative’ of the day.

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Imnobody4 · 28/10/2025 12:53

I just cannot process the level of cold depravity of these men. This is organised crime.

www.thetimes.com/article/55ba441f-e462-43c1-a1a5-d051253f2784?shareToken=a4067ea4d2276db36ed70483dad9b4ed

Grooming gang family members have been applying for jobs at charities to “threaten and intimidate” victims into silence, The Times has been told.

Despite perpetrators being on watchlists or in prison, their relatives have routinely tried to “infiltrate” organisations that support the survivors of sexual exploitation.

Paul O’Rourke, the managing director of Next Stage Youth Development, which has helped four girls abused by Rochdale grooming gangs, said the problem was “really common” in the sector but has been overlooked amid the national outcry.

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