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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 21/10/2025 07:53

Summerhillsquare · 21/10/2025 07:16

I wonder what religious and racial motivations she think the many white male perpetrators have?

They know what happened to them. They’re the world experts in what happened to them. Do you think it might be sensible and compassionate to accept that?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 21/10/2025 07:55

Dawninglory · 21/10/2025 07:41

The problem is that the records of abusers are not clear. 85% are White the rest forgein. But only 30% of the records have race included. I wonder why......

But not in this case

Fiona Goddard was in Bradford, it was a very specific situation. It needs to be ok to talk honestly about it without perpetual whataboutery

Traeth · 21/10/2025 08:15

RobustPastry · 21/10/2025 07:40

This is a great suggestion. Just someone completely unconnected to UK establishment and who understands our legal system. That’s all that’s needed and will help to keep it clear of any institutional corruption.
No institution is going to come out of this looking good. It holds up a mirror to prejudice and self interest and lack of safeguarding.

I also agree with this suggestion.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 21/10/2025 08:44

I remember reading somewhere when this all started to break about a frantic mother being brushed off by a social worker who informed her that her 14 year old daughter had made a lifestyle choice and there was nothing to be done

I get mistrust of these institutions. They lost their way over this

Dawninglory · 21/10/2025 09:21

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 21/10/2025 07:55

But not in this case

Fiona Goddard was in Bradford, it was a very specific situation. It needs to be ok to talk honestly about it without perpetual whataboutery

Sorry my post was a reply to Summerhillsquare. About the fact white males are recognised as the biggest perpetrators when only 30% of records are known to record race. The 70% undocumented are probably not.
And white can mean anything, Albanian for example. But regardless of who, they all should be imprisoned or deported.

defrazzled · 21/10/2025 10:38

The Police abused and raped victims. Social workers smeared them and covered it up. They cannot 'mark their own homework' again. How does history keep repeating itself?

WarriorN · 21/10/2025 11:20

I missed it but woman’s hour covered it and had one of the women on

Bringemout · 21/10/2025 13:05

defrazzled · 21/10/2025 10:38

The Police abused and raped victims. Social workers smeared them and covered it up. They cannot 'mark their own homework' again. How does history keep repeating itself?

The fact that one girl had a bloody social worker in attendance at her “wedding” when she was 15. I want to know if that social worker was prosecuted, if the imam who conducted the ceremony was jailed etc etc. God I just feel immense disgust right now.

Beowulfa · 21/10/2025 13:10

Making the effort to find a neutral judge is just so basic. Did they really think nobody would notice?

WarriorN · 21/10/2025 13:20

Also leading news on world at one

WarriorN · 21/10/2025 13:26

Dame Jaswinder Sanghera was interviewed on world at one.

Redshoeblueshoe · 21/10/2025 13:34

Annie Hudson has withdrawn according to Maggie Oliver on Twitter.

WarriorN · 21/10/2025 13:39

Jess Philips has seemed very defensive and rather irritated - clips are played on World at one

she will continue the relationship with Fiona if she wishes

she also says that the victims are not all in agreement about everything

“baroness Casey did not want a traditional judicial inquiry and was explicit.”

WarriorN · 21/10/2025 14:26

Dame Sanghera supported the two victims who’ve stood down. but it’s an interesting interview

defrazzled · 21/10/2025 14:45

WarriorN · 21/10/2025 14:24

Worth listening to the whole article and interview. From around 7 mins on

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002l34y?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

She literally calls the victims liars. I believe them.

WarriorN · 21/10/2025 14:50

defrazzled · 21/10/2025 14:45

She literally calls the victims liars. I believe them.

you mean Jess? Yes she does

WarriorN · 21/10/2025 14:51

World at one set the question - is Jess Philips the right person to be leading on this appointment?

JackandSallySkellington · 21/10/2025 14:52

Didn’t realise there was a thread already so will join if that’s ok and ditch the other.

Honestly, while I don’t intend to vote Reform and think they will be disastrous in many ways if they were to get in, I feel they’re the only party who would drag this thing into broad daylight and not manipulate numbers for the sake of ‘preventing civil unrest’. It blows my mind that relevant stats were not kept on crime (in general - also applies to the trans nonsense) and I suspect things are far worse than we think.

Jess Phillips should be absolutely nowhere near it.

logiccalls · 21/10/2025 15:54

There are court records with evidence of men saying "we're here to f white women and we're here to f your country".

Sir Trevor Phillips, while in charge of Equalities, was firm in explaining racism can be by anyone including anyone with a skin as dark as his own, and against anyone including those with skin as pale as his wife's. But the group- thinking 'look at my halo' virtue- bandwaggon ideology, (which later went on to enforce a quasi religious belief men must go into women-only wards, prisons and changing rooms,) took it's training by refusing to accept that Sir T. knew anything about equalities, or racism.

Hence the grooming gangs, and hence the Prevent organisation devoting their entire attention to hunting for white people who could be called racists, which automatically equates to terrorists. (No need for proof, if called a witch, to be accused is to be guilty. Likewise, to be called racist. And likewise, to be called anti-trans)

Meanwhile, time after time, nothing on earth, including desperate pleading from their own families, could make Prevent, or police, or social workers, or mental health workers, believe that anyone with a dark skin could ever be a danger to anyone.

(There was even a curious little interpretation, in some Local Authorities' council house management, that because racism can only be by white tenants and against black ones, every black tenant was assumed to be a victim of racism if neighbours complained about him/her, so the complainers were threatened with eviction, or not, entirely on the basis of skin colour. Apparently the system led in some cases to the 'always immune' tenants making life miserable for hundreds of neighbours, safe in the knowledge they could invariably get away with it. Presumably that is what is meant by 'playing the race card'?)

defrazzled · 21/10/2025 16:08

WarriorN · 21/10/2025 14:50

you mean Jess? Yes she does

Yes, Jess calls the victims liars.

When you compare it with how this man, a liar and a peadophile was treated it really puts it in perspective: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49048972
2.5 million spent on a peadophiles pies, meanwhile these women are still holding out begging bowls.

I think it is where the left and right meet in utter failure. The disgraceful neglect of these poor girls who didn't matter to anyone.

Carl Beech

Carl Beech: Liar, fraudster and paedophile

Why did Carl Beech make false allegations of murder and sexual abuse against public figures?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49048972

defrazzled · 21/10/2025 16:09

JackandSallySkellington · 21/10/2025 14:52

Didn’t realise there was a thread already so will join if that’s ok and ditch the other.

Honestly, while I don’t intend to vote Reform and think they will be disastrous in many ways if they were to get in, I feel they’re the only party who would drag this thing into broad daylight and not manipulate numbers for the sake of ‘preventing civil unrest’. It blows my mind that relevant stats were not kept on crime (in general - also applies to the trans nonsense) and I suspect things are far worse than we think.

Jess Phillips should be absolutely nowhere near it.

@JackandSallySkellington I am frightened of reform getting in next election, it will be the worst outcome for everyone imo. But the constant denial of this issue is making it very likely.

AlexandraLeaving · 21/10/2025 16:10

SionnachRuadh · 20/10/2025 21:37

It's not difficult to appoint a judge as the chair. Judges chair these panels all the time. There must be a few retired Lady Justices kicking about who could do it.

So the choice of chair is between a former policeman (who's also an active Labour supporter) and a social worker.

Which three groups are most culpable in the whole scandal?

Police. Social workers. The Labour Party.

A cynic might think the whole thing has been designed to fail.

Not disagreeing with you on the appropriateness of ensuring whoever chairs this is (and is seen to be) totally independent, but (having had to do this several times in the past) it’s NOT actually all that easy to get judges to do this sort of thing.

It’s a major commitment, taking someone out of their normal judicial role for potentially several years so creates a resource pressure on the bench (already stretched) and potentially represents a career sacrifice for the judge who would be out of the running for promotion for the foreseeable future. To be credible, it would need to be someone of sufficient stature and experience (a senior, rather than an entry-level judge), which narrows the pool a bit.

A retired judge is potentially more of a risk as they will, by definition, not be a spring chicken by that stage (judicial retirement age is 75) and would need to commit for several years and not everyone wants to take on a multi-year public commitment in their retirement.

And if you want to get an overseas judge (which again I’ve had to do) then you have all the same problems plus the dislocation form family to travel half way round the world for a potentially lengthy timescale.

Not saying it is not possible, just not easy.

SionnachRuadh · 21/10/2025 16:30

AlexandraLeaving · 21/10/2025 16:10

Not disagreeing with you on the appropriateness of ensuring whoever chairs this is (and is seen to be) totally independent, but (having had to do this several times in the past) it’s NOT actually all that easy to get judges to do this sort of thing.

It’s a major commitment, taking someone out of their normal judicial role for potentially several years so creates a resource pressure on the bench (already stretched) and potentially represents a career sacrifice for the judge who would be out of the running for promotion for the foreseeable future. To be credible, it would need to be someone of sufficient stature and experience (a senior, rather than an entry-level judge), which narrows the pool a bit.

A retired judge is potentially more of a risk as they will, by definition, not be a spring chicken by that stage (judicial retirement age is 75) and would need to commit for several years and not everyone wants to take on a multi-year public commitment in their retirement.

And if you want to get an overseas judge (which again I’ve had to do) then you have all the same problems plus the dislocation form family to travel half way round the world for a potentially lengthy timescale.

Not saying it is not possible, just not easy.

On reflection, yes. I've had to book time with CoA judges for much less time consuming commitments, and their diaries are always a nightmare.

But it would have to be someone of comparable stature (say Permanent Secretary level) and with a professional reputation for impartiality. And avoiding anyone with close links to the police, social services, local government or the Labour Party.

Seems very restrictive, but I could probably come up with six or seven credible names without having to turn to the judiciary. And if I can, Jess can.