High Court rules that a trans man......

[theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw]

...... cannot be denied a gender recognition certificate because he is trying to conceive, in an important win supported by Good Law Project.

https://goodlawproject.org/win-victory-in-landmark-case-on-gender-recognition/

Apologies for the source, but it's currently the only free one.

From the judgment:
In his statement, the Applicant says that he took up Taekwondo for a period in 2016. It struck me as rather a random remark. I note that this sport is equally popular with women and girls, but I sense that in mentioning it, the Applicant regarded it as a facet of what he perceived to be his burgeoning masculinity.

Spot-welding would have been a better choice, as it is not equally popular with women and girls, and would have been better evidence of 'his burgeoning masculinity' .
'Burgeoning masculinity'😆He really has a way with words, doesn't he?

I also liked
If I may inject a note of levity (which nonetheless illustrates a point), the England Women’s National Football Team, with back-to-back successes in the UEFA European Championship, conveniently illustrate that very few activities these days can be intrinsically associated with one sex rather than another. I consider such assumptions can only lead me into the quicksand of stereotyping.

I think his lordship can rest content that he has successfully steered past the Scylla of Football and the Charybdis of Taekwondo, though perhaps not the Quicksand of Stereotyping, nor the Serbonian Bog of Genderwoo😁

TBH I care less about this woman getting a certificate than about the care of the baby. Raising children is a lot of stress, work, and self sacrifice. She is relatively young, and seems to have a lot of issues. I hope sincerely that she has a LOT of support, people who can help out, guide her, and assist. The focus of the next few years may shift somewhat once a baby is born - that often tends to be the way with a newborn.

I learned to weld at one point. Mig, tig and torch. I'm still a woman in the original sex based meaning.

By genderism's neo sexist rules, I'm probably not.

Which is why (broken record time) it makes no sense to try to use the same language to label two totally different things.

I've only ever done a little light stick welding. Because I am a lady.

I've only ever done soldering, which means I'm not even on the spectrum😢

I believe this would only count as the activity of a lady if you perform it in a feminine way. Without this feminity, I believe it's difficult for anyone (including you) to know if you're a man or a woman.

This is similar to how the transman with the GRC will (I assume) perform giving birth in a masculine way, with masculinity. This would therefore then make it the activity of a man.

I once built a stud partition wall. Now I'm worried I didn't do it femininely enough. Should I have painted it pink?

I find myself transfixed by the thought of giving birth in a masculine way, and what that might entail.

Reassembling all the bits after and finding you have one left over, maybe?

What has this got to do with the right to reproduce?

@ChillBarrog asked and answered in this very thread already. Scroll up.

That might give mixed signals as it's equally possible to build things badly in a feminine way, perhaps with a shriek for example.

I reckon the best way to do it is to bring a toolkit and power drill along, then put some shelves up between contractions.

Surely if you are building something badly in a truly feminine way, you get a man to do it for you?

How do you know he's a man though?
Do you police his genitals?

And then he'll paint a wavy line, break a drill bit or fold over a nail head, and then hand everything back and bugger off to the pub. Oh, and I forgot the bit where he demands a bacon sandwich before he even gets started. Or maybe that's just my lived experience.

Biting the cord with your teeth, smearing the blood in your beard and roaring I reckon.

Yes. That should do it.

I am actually now feeling a pang of guilt about my tongue in cheek embracing of gender identity belief.

Now that I'm a firm non-believer in the idea that we all have a gender identity, a gendered soul, I have to remind myself that some people really do believe that a man can have uterus and give birth - and that the way we know he's a man is because a) he's told us he is a man and b) he's demonstrating he's a man with his masculine actions.

As a non-believer, to me it's now utterly bonkers, but I do have to remind myself that it really is no more bonkers than believing that a child can be conceived without sperm and born to a woman who is still a virgin. I used to be a Christian and believed this too. Belief is incredibly powerful and defies logic.

However, I then think about the impact of gender identity belief on our language and on vulnerable people like the trans-identifying female that this thread is about. I definitely feel less guilty at that point.

It's so important that the impact of gender identity belief is shown up for what it is: a coerced belief in the idea that we all have a gendered soul that is separate from our body, enforced by the state as if it's fact with GRCs that allow official paperwork to be altered to match the person's belief and an NHS that is prepared to remove people's body parts and damage their endochrine systems forever so that their bodies more closely match their belief.

What about that poor kid's life?

giving birth in a masculine way

Doing it standing up?

Oh, wait, here we go. I should have known there was a gif.

This exchange is making me laugh out loud, you are a funny lot😂

From having worked alongside men doing practical tasks, I suggest that in order to give birth in a masculine way, you'd have to whistle tunelessly through your teeth throughout the entire process😬

Sadly my experience of many male colleagues is that they'd take the credit and leave a woman to do the work.

So actually, probably turns out it is pretty easy for men to give birth in a masculine way after all!

MOAR babies!

Yep, definitely male.

Agreed. Above all else, what horrifies me is the impact on young and vulnerable people. There was a time when it felt justifiable to pretend the emperor has new clothes. We are long past that now.

No. That's why I asked, after reading every post.

Did you disagree with the Judgment itself? The Judge explains at some length: I'm not sure what else I would add.