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Muslim charity run

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Thomasina79 · 12/10/2025 08:10

Has banned women and girls over the age of 12 from participating. Thoughts?

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RedToothBrush · 12/10/2025 09:41

Shedmistress · 12/10/2025 09:31

What would be the 'legitimate aim' to this 'no females 12 or over' restriction?

I'm guessing if we made a suggestion as to why, we'd get banned from here.

There isn't.

nutmeg7 · 12/10/2025 09:41

ThatSpryShaker · 12/10/2025 09:28

That is absolutely not true. Love marriages are about as equally common in all South Asian communities in the UK. They happen more often among all religions, but arranged and forced marriage are also a feature.

Anecdotally, in my London girls' school, the girls least likely to go onto further education because they were getting married where Sikh. Hindus next. The vast majority of Muslims were going to college. We did this internal study for Sociology ourselves in the academic year 2000-2001. East London school. 180 girls.

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That’s a very small sample taken from a very specific location. It is only representative of pupils at your North London school. That is not the entirety of the South Asian population of the UK.

askmenow · 12/10/2025 09:41

Bigpinksweater · 12/10/2025 08:17

I can understand if it’s a ‘men’s run for mental health’ or some such, or pink ladies for breast cancer, but to ban them on a religious pretext is totally different and not something I ever thought Britain in 2025 would be tolerating

Check out the projected demographics for the years to come and see what await the women of this country.
And be AFRAID!

LoveItaly · 12/10/2025 09:41

ERthree · 12/10/2025 09:40

I am amazed that anyone is shocked.

Me too!

BunfightBetty · 12/10/2025 09:41

ThatSpryShaker · 12/10/2025 09:32

The community of the poster I am talking to. Are these problems not present in some communities?

What exactly is her community? What do you know about it?

KarminaBurana · 12/10/2025 09:42

nutmeg7 · 12/10/2025 09:41

That’s a very small sample taken from a very specific location. It is only representative of pupils at your North London school. That is not the entirety of the South Asian population of the UK.

It's certainly not the case where I teach.

ErrolTheDragon · 12/10/2025 09:43

ThatSpryShaker · 12/10/2025 09:31

What is the participation in sport like specifically for observant Muslim men?

What’s that got to do with it? This event isn’t related to whether the men are ‘observant’ or not does it? Of course a group which has an overriding interest of some type may participate less in sport. The only relevant comparison here is men v women.

Autumnleaves4 · 12/10/2025 09:43

I don’t understand why you can have a Muslim charity run full stop. Does that mean you could have a non Muslim charity run as well. How is this meant to encourage integration. The sexism is just on another level.

SaratogaFilly · 12/10/2025 09:45

Bigpinksweater · 12/10/2025 08:17

I can understand if it’s a ‘men’s run for mental health’ or some such, or pink ladies for breast cancer, but to ban them on a religious pretext is totally different and not something I ever thought Britain in 2025 would be tolerating

Agreed. It’s fucking disgraceful & should not be allowed to happen.

LizzieSiddal · 12/10/2025 09:45

ErrolTheDragon · 12/10/2025 09:22

Is it though?
It’s obviously nothing like the same degree - miniscule in comparison. But it is comparable in kind. Is there a difference in the underlying ‘reason’ for not allowing women to participate in something that girls and all males can?

Yes it is. Do you know anything about most major religions? Woman are segregated on a daily basis and stopped from doing what the men do.
I absolutely detest that teenage girls and women have been banned from this event but let’s not pretend it’s just Muslim men doing this or that this charity run is comparable to how women are treated in Afghanistan. It’s an insult to those women.

roseyposey · 12/10/2025 09:46

ThatSpryShaker · 12/10/2025 08:23

Yes. Because I see no issue with women not being in one race if they can do parkrun every weekend.

You’re really desperate to pretend not to see the issue - I’m embarrassed for you.

Troubledwords · 12/10/2025 09:46

Had it been called a Father and primary school children's race. Would it still have the same issue?
Still only men and girls under 12 allowed, but just renamed.

fruitbrewhaha · 12/10/2025 09:47

Is there anything to stop a group of women, Muslim or other, from going for a run on the same day in the same area/park? Perhaps this is what is needed.

User37482 · 12/10/2025 09:47

ThatSpryShaker · 12/10/2025 09:28

That is absolutely not true. Love marriages are about as equally common in all South Asian communities in the UK. They happen more often among all religions, but arranged and forced marriage are also a feature.

Anecdotally, in my London girls' school, the girls least likely to go onto further education because they were getting married where Sikh. Hindus next. The vast majority of Muslims were going to college. We did this internal study for Sociology ourselves in the academic year 2000-2001. East London school. 180 girls.

Edited

From what I can see 45% of sikh women have a degree compared to 25% of muslim women around the same time. It’s hard to find more up to date data.

https://britishsikhreport.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/British-Sikh-Report-2017-Online.pdf

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/apr/02/muslim-women-men-degrees-jobs-market-british-universities

A lot must have changed in 4 years to see a reversal in those numbers 🙄

https://britishsikhreport.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/British-Sikh-Report-2017-Online.pdf

Sickleg · 12/10/2025 09:47

Would it be wrong for women , Muslim or not, to crash this event and run alongside ?! Who’s going to stop us?! Police? I don’t think so! We can staple a number to the front of our t shirt and a sign of protest on the back. “Equality for women!”
Absolute disgrace this is being allowed in UK.

ThatCyanCat · 12/10/2025 09:47

ThatSpryShaker · 12/10/2025 08:37

You know what is fucking hilarious about the uproar around this? British men make jogging a bloody hellhole for women. You know how many women are sexually harassed while out running? So theyre upset at the Daily Mail that Muslim women have been banned from taking part, but when women do take part, Daily Mail type men sexually harass them!

I've still got a few pears at the top of my tree that I can't reach even with my picker fully extended and while standing on a stepladder.

Do you think you could come round and get them for me? With that desperate reach there, I think you could do it.

kirinm · 12/10/2025 09:47

Bigpinksweater · 12/10/2025 08:47

But the outrage about this from the Mail and from a lot of posters here seems to be motivated by a powerful desire to present Islam as problematic, and to further the US-promoted narrative that Britain is becoming more and more subject to Sharia law.

Do you not find the likely illegal misogynistic apartheid ‘problematic’?

Equally, we have dozens of Sharia courts in the UK. Would you not say that proves we are becoming ‘subject to Sharia law’?

If not; what would justify those concerns to you?

They aren’t courts and WE do not use what you’re referring to as courts. So no WE are not being subjected to sharia law.

Bigpinksweater · 12/10/2025 09:49

kirinm · 12/10/2025 09:47

They aren’t courts and WE do not use what you’re referring to as courts. So no WE are not being subjected to sharia law.

You’re missing the point completely

5MinuteArgument · 12/10/2025 09:49

Demographic trends and sectarian politics means there's going to be a lot more of this coming down the line.

And the government's working on a definition of 'Islamophobia' so discussing it won't be possible.

But, hey, enrichment and all that.

Rosscameasdoody · 12/10/2025 09:50

ProfoundlyPeculiarAndWeird · 12/10/2025 09:07

So many posts cite the alleged illegality of this event, under the Equality Act. But the act makes limited exemptions allowing religious organisations to exclude women or men from an event if it is deemed to be necessary for religious purposes. And it may well be the case that the conditions for the exemption are met here - I understand from the article that this is being looked into

I think it is pretty bad to exclude women from this event, but if there are plenty of other runs (including Muslim runs) that allow both men and women then is it so very shocking to have one event from which women are excluded? Presumably it makes it possible for highly religiously observant males to participate. So you could make the case that to meet everyone's needs you need a variety of different events, including men's events, mixed events, and women only events.

I want to live in a society in which religious people with values different from mine can live in accordance with their beliefs, even if they are distasteful to me. Unless this one event has the consequence that Muslim women runners lack opportunities to participate in runs, then I can't see why a pluralist society should be up in arms about it.

Which limited exemptions cover the banning of a certain cohort of females, while at the same time allowing others to take part ? And given that it’s the overall aim that counts, what would be the aim of banning adult females but allowing female children ? We all know what this is about, so why are we trying to excuse it ?

kirinm · 12/10/2025 09:50

Bigpinksweater · 12/10/2025 09:49

You’re missing the point completely

No I'm not. People can make their points sound much more credible without posting crap like this.

ErrolTheDragon · 12/10/2025 09:50

Autumnleaves4 · 12/10/2025 09:43

I don’t understand why you can have a Muslim charity run full stop. Does that mean you could have a non Muslim charity run as well. How is this meant to encourage integration. The sexism is just on another level.

There are plenty of Christian charity events of various types. Some of these may be questionable.

I don’t think any org which isn’t compliant with basic equality laws should be eligible for overall charitable status and financial benefits from the tax payer. If the organisation provides some truly charitable services then those activities could get support. Some Buddhist groups ethically manage their finances on this basis.

Bigpinksweater · 12/10/2025 09:50

5MinuteArgument · 12/10/2025 09:49

Demographic trends and sectarian politics means there's going to be a lot more of this coming down the line.

And the government's working on a definition of 'Islamophobia' so discussing it won't be possible.

But, hey, enrichment and all that.

If their definition of Islamophobia goes further than for any other religion, then we really need to mobilise and I will be joining all protests.

MaturingCheeseball · 12/10/2025 09:51

The religious Muslim girls at the dcs’ school did not do Games/PE. In fact one girl in DD’s year was excused in yr 6 at primary school and she began to be fully covered.

Sickleg · 12/10/2025 09:52

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