Muslim charity run

[Thomasina79]

Has banned women and girls over the age of 12 from participating. Thoughts?

Exactly - so British culture - whatever you think that isa has survived all of those waves of immigration. Why are you worried now?

Tbf people would have been very worried at some of the other immigration waves as well - the Viking invasion can't have been much fun, for instance. Just because it happened doesn't mean that it was good at the time and an argument for more.

Of course not everything is about Muslims. But the involvement of far right groups is. Unlike members of the community around each hotel, whose lives are being directly impacted and whose daughters are at risk, the people (mainly men) who target neighbourhoods are motivated by racism, in this case brieg anti-Muslim. The traits you describe are the traits of men brought up in muslim-majority countries where women are not respected.

Please don’t drag Hindus in your debate because you have an agenda. We don’t have that problem anymore, not to the degree it will be considered a Hindu problem, considering how many of us exist. Honestly you know nothing about us. Just posting opinion of one person or few people is not real data. What religion / background are you from?

Totally different, and irrelevant. But you probably know that….

The Test and corporation Acts of 1661 for example that required communion with the Church of England to hold public office - this was slowly chipped away at from around 1828.

Really you can do your own research.

Well, all the major religions are designed to cement a patriarchal structure to control women. I’d say it does become problematic when we are not allowed to criticise any religions. No group should become a sacred caste.

Can’t remember who posted the following, but I would agree that It is only by ensuring the separation of religion and state that we protect and affirm the hard worn rights of women and girls in this country. Took a long time to force Christianity out of English government. I wouldn’t want it to be replaced by any other religion or see secularism to be eroded one way or another.

Secularism is the only framework that protects diverse beliefs by refusing to privilege one over others. Multiculturalism becomes unworkable without shared secular values, without it pluralism devolves into tribalism and institutional capture. When religious values infiltrate governance, they fracture the rule of law, erode individual rights, and undermine social cohesion by creating competing moral orders.

Oh Merry Mouse has rocked up think ming she has a load of “gotcha” moments - all falling flat on their face

Feel free to cite one, and explain to me why the majority of Britons - who are not Christian - should have their lives governed by it.

Yes seeing as Humza etc are apparently so tolerant and supportive of trans rights, there should be zero issue

you seem confused

who is this 'you' you're addressing? I have said no such thing

I would argue that secularism is the best framework but we also need to protect British culture because without it, we leave a vacuum which will naturally be filled by the biggest and most determined group - and in the cause of Middle Eastern culture, the culture goes hand in hand with the religion, so Islam is an inevitable consequence. You can’t fight against something if there is no alternative.

I hear you - if your choice is between eating alone in a vegan restaurant or eating with others somewhere else, of course you’d choose the latter. It’s a shame your friends/family don’t want to go to somewhere that has an abundance of choice for you though. I’ve eaten in vegan restaurants (I’m not vegan) because I enjoy trying different things.

But these people protesting aren’t re-acting because the men in these centres are Muslims. They’re doing so because of the way they are disrespecting women, and disrespecting our values. It just so happens that most of the men are Muslims. And I don’t condone any group of people being attacked or threatened, but I do condone bad values and a low moral compass to be called out, to highlight the fact that these men do not belong here.

The muslim running group that has been linked (not the fun run) seems to have been created to encourage participation, whereas I think this is more about Christianity, but apart from that the point is that it's not unusual to form a running group for people who share another interest.

I think that perhaps people haven't clicked through and read about the aims of the muslim running group, and that is fair enough, but as far as I can see it's designed to encourage integration.

True - and I agree to an extent. But we’re still ‘British’ right? And that seems to be what the pp is worried about.

They aren't allowed, in case you don't know

I’m not quite sure you have understood the point. But multiculturalism doesn’t work at all, whether a country is secular or not. In order for a society to work it needs to have a dominant culture so its participants aspire to the same norms a values. Shared rituals and reference points are virtual for social cohesion. In Britain the culture has for over 1500 years been based on Christianity. Even if the country is “secular” Christianity is so embedded within our history, art, architecture, laws, language and our world view, it is the unifying culture of Britain.

What by rejecting British values?

Not gotchas, just trying to enable informed debate by giving examples of running clubs for people who share a particular interest. I understand why people are concerned about the fun run, but genuinely don't understand why some people are upset about a muslim running club that does encourage women to run and also welcomes non muslims.

Are we talking at cross purposes? I'm really unclear how https://activeinclusionnetwork.com is rejecting British values.

Where are non Muslims encouraged?

None of the Muslim runners have their faces or hair covered. You can be are they are the progressive Muslims that won't be blowing you up. That are the doctors and engineers, or children of legal immigrants. They aren't in receipt of benefits and in social housing (25% of Muslims are and 80% Muslim Pakistani women don't work).

The disrespecting of women is directly tied to the men being Muslim. Alongside the protests in neighbourhoods not their own are the rantings of Tommy Robinson, tasteless jokes about bacon, and the parading of a pig on a lead down the street. If the men in the hotels were Jewish, there wouldn't be the protests because there wouldn't be the disrespectful behaviour towards women.

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