J.K Rowling's Position

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I am not a regular on these boards but I am aware of the controversy over J K Rowling's position as I have encountered so many young people who have become very hostile with me if I do not show that I do not go along with them in their views that she is the equivalent of a racist in her attitude towards racists. I try and stay neutral and not declare my views but that is not enough for them. They want tos ee you express the same vitriol that they have so they can be assured you are on the same side. I find it so anti democratic frankly.

Privately I was relieved with the British ruling that means trans women who may well still have a penis and all the bad actors who could then take full advantage of a law that allowed transwomen into women only spaces, are not allowed to access those women spaces. I appreciate that most transwomen just want to go about leading their daily lives identifying as women and using women spaces is part of that and they have no ill intent. But many do not have bottom surgery and so yes they still have a penis as do the men who can just wake up one day and say they identify as a woman and start using those women only spaces and not have good intent? What am I missing? Why don't the younger generation see this and get that it is a huge risk to women? Do they think that there will be no bad actors? I just do not get it. The law is not to punish transwomen. It's to protect women.

I am not without sympathy for transwomen who genuinely feel uncomfortable going into male spaces. I appreciate that they identify as female but I just feel it's a conflict of rights and that you cannot sacrifice the right of women to feel safe in a women only space so that the smaller % of transwomen do not feel uncomfortable. Safety trumps comfort.

I personally would not react to a transwoman being in a female toilet but then I am aware how do I know it is a genuine transwoman and not a bad actor so I appreciate other women not being comfortable.
Maybe we need additional gender neutral toilets in this day and age.

But when this topic comes up with many younger people I can tell that the fact that I do not join in with the hatred for JK Rowling, that it puts me in the pro JK Rowling camp and I do agree with her support of ensuring that law got passed.

I am not so sure about the comments she made about kids not being trans as I think some kids as teens do seem to think they are in the wrong gender, maybe not in the large numbers that we are seeing today but clearly some people do feel they were born in the wrong gender and as a society I think we do have to support them without sacrificing the rights of an other group.

Rowling has never expressed hate for transpeople as far as I am aware. I do think she can be provocative in how she expressed her views and that is her choice but I just do not understand how the younger generation claim she is the equivalent of a racist but with trans rights? The language they use about her is so strong and I really try to avoid conversations about her because it has become so divisive- it is hard to find a millennial who does not agree with Emma Watson's viewpoint.

I am not 100% up to date with all Rowling has said but what has she said that is so bad that the younger generation have such deep hatred for her? I am just trying to understand it better and be ready to respond to the vitriol I get from younger colleagues when it comes up as it does seem to.

Ok so the author of your “proof” link says she’s not antisemitic. So what does that say about your comprehension?

As we’ve said: take a breath, lie down, pause, have a biscuit, think a bit more.

Not just that, where you're revealing what you really think about Jewish people, but also, more subtle dogwhistles in other things you've been saying. Time for some self-reflection, I think.

You did. Apparently you're all still 'confused' about 'what trans gender means' because the dictionary is toooo hard to understand so now your'e looking for other 'victims' to harangue relentlessly to 'explain' something you are incapable of understanding.

It says they are scared shitless of a billionaire pointing a lawyer & her institutional power at their head not to mention they don't have to say she is because a picture is worth a thousand words….

You’re funny. Have you thought about a career in comedy? It might cut down your scolding time but I think that it’d be good for you. It’d get you out meeting people and that can only be beneficial.

Oh noes….. everyone is provoking our most superior educator this morning!

Howseitgoin has only sought to enlighten us by telling us what the repercussions are to women who don’t agree with Howseitgoin and male people who say they are female and should access female single sex spaces! We shouldn’t disagree at all with Howseitgoin or male people who want access to anywhere female people go, we cannot say we need single sex spaces in any way that doesn’t dehumanise and demonise male people who tell us they are female when they are not.

We have to accept that those male people we say should be excluded cannot control their reactions and we shouldn’t expect them to. That nothing but full acceptance will work and then we will not get threatened, assaulted and abused.

The lesson this morning was clear.

If we disagree with Howseitgoin and those male people. Howseitgoin has already told us what the repercussions are and what we can expect. Disagreement is suitable provocation because women being attacked, threatened and abused for saying they need single sex spaces have always provoked their attackers just by saying something and are never innocent.

People!!! We have been warned that we deserve all the attacks and abuse we get for not heeding the advice that we cannot expect male people who demand to access all female provisions to control themselves, nor their supporters! Don’t you see????

The onus is on us as women not to provoke at all because that group of male people have no control, like rapists cannot control themselves, like child abductors cannot control themselves, neither can this group of male people.

Thank you again for the warnings about some male people’s behaviour and how we as women should just STFU so as not to provoke them, Howseitgoin. This thread has been most enlightening.

Oh no, Master, isn’t it us that speak in dog whistles and believe in conspiracy theories?

GaIadriel · Today 00:31

I've not even read the rest of the thread but I'm willing to bet that your example of VAW being 'justified' is some nonsense posted online by TRAs.

It's apparent that you haven't read the thread and you've missed her point by a country mile!

Yes because JKR has sued how many people who have slandered, libelled and defamed her, remind me?

All she has to do is threaten to sue & they fold…

https://www.themarysue.com/j-k-rowling-appears-to-sic-lawyers-on-queer-critic/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jk-rowling-threatens-to-sue-kids-news-site-the-day-forcing-it-to-apologize-for-transphobic-article/

https://news.sky.com/story/jk-rowling-threatens-to-sue-mp-in-twitter-row-10147737

Yet here you are accusing her of antisemitism with impunity. Aren’t you lucky she doesn’t give two hoots about your silly little false accusations?

Good luck with finding out who I am….🤡

Apt emoji 🤣🥴👍

So that little lie down didn’t improve your arguments then?

”JKR is antisemitic cos…just look, see?”

and

”everyone’s saying it on the sly”

You’ve really outshone yourself this time🙄

You do realise that the vast majority of violence is actually suffered by men, right? 70% of homicide victims last time I checked. The usual response is that it's other men doing the killing. However, wouldn't that be victim blaming to suggest that the murder victim is somehow culpable for sharing the same sex as their attacker? I doubt it makes much difference to the family of a black man shot by the police to know that his killer was also male.

And regarding DV, the vast majority of data actually shows that there isn't much of a gap between the sexes of in terms of perpetration rates. The main difference is that women tend to receive worse injuries which is unsurprising given the vast difference in physical strength. This has been done to death on here so I'm happy to cut and paste the links from another thread although I'm conscious of not wanting to derail the discussion.

It's not a case of 'siding with the poor men'. It's more about realising that most people don't actually want a war of the sexes. Oddly, it's mainly educated western women that seem to love playing the victim card when in reality their privilege is second only to their husbands, whose salaries they also benefit from despite complaining that said men get paid more.

It's fair to discuss the areas where we're disadvantaged compared to men but the problem is that a lot of people don't want to look at both sides. Like, there are a lot of women that only work part time and have loads of free time in the day whilst their partners work long hours and shoulder all the mental load that comes with sole financial responsibility.

A lot of women don't ever really return to a serious career after having kids and if you try and mention this they get really pissy and start talking about the mental load of writing xmas cards and using the washing machine lol. Like my sister. She drops the kids at school and then goes to yoga or the gym. Her husband Is contracted to do a 10 hour day but as an engineer he has to stay until the work is finished so he's often doing 12-13 hour days and then driving an hour back from the jobsite. She still believes all the stuff about men having it easy, even as she swans off to her yoga class at 10am on a Tuesday.

Again, you are the one calling Jewish people hook nosed goblins that control all the money. Not JKR.

Denial of reality is text book cultism.

Oh dear pal, I’m not the one denying reality. You are making inferences about intent on the part of JKR.

You argue against reality and the importance of biological sex. I’ve got millennia worth of fact on my side.

Have another prosecco mate, you're on fire! 🔥

Do you think women only drink prosecco?! This is the second thread where you’ve fired off this shit line.

It's misogyny all the way down with @Howseitgoin

No but it means he can use the very, very old and tired attempt at an insult by using the phrase prosecco stormfront.

Old hat

It is not private. It is very well known and it is very misogynistic.

Well done though on retaining your misogynistic posting streak. Every day is a new demonstration.

Men's violence against other men is women's issue, why? I think we've got enough to focus on to be frank with all the violence meted against us! It's women's job to sort it all out and do feminism in a way that benefits men - pretty sure that's in the rules of misogyny....

As for 'most women don't return to a serious career after having kids', that's laughable bullshite mate. Textbook incel 'women live life on easy mode' vibes with the added insinuation that women use their husband's as a cash cow.

Indeed. And it's quite a blast from the past - that was a popular sneer at women in what, 2017 or so?

And it wasn't even particularly witty or clever then, frankly.