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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

J.K Rowling's Position

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middler · 05/10/2025 21:20

I am not a regular on these boards but I am aware of the controversy over J K Rowling's position as I have encountered so many young people who have become very hostile with me if I do not show that I do not go along with them in their views that she is the equivalent of a racist in her attitude towards racists. I try and stay neutral and not declare my views but that is not enough for them. They want tos ee you express the same vitriol that they have so they can be assured you are on the same side. I find it so anti democratic frankly.

Privately I was relieved with the British ruling that means trans women who may well still have a penis and all the bad actors who could then take full advantage of a law that allowed transwomen into women only spaces, are not allowed to access those women spaces. I appreciate that most transwomen just want to go about leading their daily lives identifying as women and using women spaces is part of that and they have no ill intent. But many do not have bottom surgery and so yes they still have a penis as do the men who can just wake up one day and say they identify as a woman and start using those women only spaces and not have good intent? What am I missing? Why don't the younger generation see this and get that it is a huge risk to women? Do they think that there will be no bad actors? I just do not get it. The law is not to punish transwomen. It's to protect women.

I am not without sympathy for transwomen who genuinely feel uncomfortable going into male spaces. I appreciate that they identify as female but I just feel it's a conflict of rights and that you cannot sacrifice the right of women to feel safe in a women only space so that the smaller % of transwomen do not feel uncomfortable. Safety trumps comfort.

I personally would not react to a transwoman being in a female toilet but then I am aware how do I know it is a genuine transwoman and not a bad actor so I appreciate other women not being comfortable.
Maybe we need additional gender neutral toilets in this day and age.

But when this topic comes up with many younger people I can tell that the fact that I do not join in with the hatred for JK Rowling, that it puts me in the pro JK Rowling camp and I do agree with her support of ensuring that law got passed.

I am not so sure about the comments she made about kids not being trans as I think some kids as teens do seem to think they are in the wrong gender, maybe not in the large numbers that we are seeing today but clearly some people do feel they were born in the wrong gender and as a society I think we do have to support them without sacrificing the rights of an other group.

Rowling has never expressed hate for transpeople as far as I am aware. I do think she can be provocative in how she expressed her views and that is her choice but I just do not understand how the younger generation claim she is the equivalent of a racist but with trans rights? The language they use about her is so strong and I really try to avoid conversations about her because it has become so divisive- it is hard to find a millennial who does not agree with Emma Watson's viewpoint.

I am not 100% up to date with all Rowling has said but what has she said that is so bad that the younger generation have such deep hatred for her? I am just trying to understand it better and be ready to respond to the vitriol I get from younger colleagues when it comes up as it does seem to.

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Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 07:38

eatfigs · 09/10/2025 07:34

Note that the article carefully avoids quoting any of JK Rowling's words, instead relying on insinuation that the HP goblins must be an "anti-Semitic caricature" without even attempting to argue or demonstrate it.

Despite that, the author eventually concludes that JKR isn't actually antisemitic. So if that in particular was the point you were making by linking this article, then we can agree.

Um, pictures speak louder than words.

Of course they didn't directly accuse her. Madam 'freedom of speech' is lawyer trigger happy.

All her accusers took a lesson out of her own dog whistling playbook & let the trope speak for itself.

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 07:40

Are you quite well? You don’t seem to be able to piece together your argument properly. It’s descended (started from?) to place of “it’s the way she said it” which is quite immature. Can you do better? Maybe have a lie down and a think and come back to us.

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 07:42

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 07:40

Are you quite well? You don’t seem to be able to piece together your argument properly. It’s descended (started from?) to place of “it’s the way she said it” which is quite immature. Can you do better? Maybe have a lie down and a think and come back to us.

Oh dear, someone's having trouble accepting the queen's mask slipping…😂

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 07:43
Fake Surprised Season 8 GIF by Friends

“Slipping”. Based on false accusations from 2022 and earlier? This is your brand new information? You amaze us all. How do you stay so on top of rapidly changing current events?

BundleBoogie · 09/10/2025 07:45

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 07:38

Um, pictures speak louder than words.

Of course they didn't directly accuse her. Madam 'freedom of speech' is lawyer trigger happy.

All her accusers took a lesson out of her own dog whistling playbook & let the trope speak for itself.

YOU are the only one drawing parallels between goblins and Jewish people.

I think you are projecting. If your ‘argument’ is reduced to purely dog whistles you have no argument. Maybe go chat with the dogs, see what they think.

eatfigs · 09/10/2025 07:46

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 07:38

Um, pictures speak louder than words.

Of course they didn't directly accuse her. Madam 'freedom of speech' is lawyer trigger happy.

All her accusers took a lesson out of her own dog whistling playbook & let the trope speak for itself.

So when are you going to address your own antisemitism?

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 07:47

BundleBoogie · 09/10/2025 07:45

YOU are the only one drawing parallels between goblins and Jewish people.

I think you are projecting. If your ‘argument’ is reduced to purely dog whistles you have no argument. Maybe go chat with the dogs, see what they think.

Uh huh, a hooked nosed 'goblin' who controls alll the money….

Denial of reality is text book cultism.

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 07:48

Says the person who thinks humans can change sex 🤣🤣🤣

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 07:50

eatfigs · 09/10/2025 07:46

So when are you going to address your own antisemitism?

Yeah & how do square that? Identifying jewish tropes is 'antisemitism' now?

2+2 = 5..

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 07:55

There’s another book I’d wager you haven’t read and don’t know where it’s from.

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 07:55

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 07:48

Says the person who thinks humans can change sex 🤣🤣🤣

Says the person who maintains gender stereotype & doesn't know it…

It's not only that you can't comprehend basic social categorisations but that you can't even recognise your own culpability in them. Gender critical ideology argumentation is like watching a blind man drive a car…'but but men in dressessssss'

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 07:57

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 07:55

Says the person who maintains gender stereotype & doesn't know it…

It's not only that you can't comprehend basic social categorisations but that you can't even recognise your own culpability in them. Gender critical ideology argumentation is like watching a blind man drive a car…'but but men in dressessssss'

Sorry, this doesn’t make sense. What gender stereotype do I maintain?

Have we moved on from you stumbling around posting links you haven’t read that you didn’t realise don’t say JKR is antisemitic like you thought it did?

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:03

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 07:57

Sorry, this doesn’t make sense. What gender stereotype do I maintain?

Have we moved on from you stumbling around posting links you haven’t read that you didn’t realise don’t say JKR is antisemitic like you thought it did?

You just like everyone else would distinguish women from men by gendered stereotypes in practice because you would rarely know for sure another's 'biological' sex status.

And don't waste my time telling me you can 'tell' because you can't.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/10/2025 08:04

I see Howie is using this thread to share his remarkable range of anti semitic, homophobic, anti safeguarding and misogynistic views. Quite the performance this morning

As @FortheloveofPetethePlumber has pointed out:

"..it's pointless trying to use objective reason with someone living in an alternative reality where all unwanted facts and evidence are invisible, and it's pointless trying to convince a misogynist to permit women any rights.."

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 08:04

Ok mate, if you say so 🥱

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:06

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 08:04

Ok mate, if you say so 🥱

It's not me saying so, its your own actions….& you know that 😂

Waitwhat23 · 09/10/2025 08:08

My, it's been a wild ride this morning

J.K Rowling's Position
Namelessnelly · 09/10/2025 08:09

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:03

You just like everyone else would distinguish women from men by gendered stereotypes in practice because you would rarely know for sure another's 'biological' sex status.

And don't waste my time telling me you can 'tell' because you can't.

What are you blithering about? Feminists want to smash gender stereotypes. I don’t care if a bloke wears a dress, full face of slap and calls himself harmonieee sparklepants. It just means he’s a bloke who likes dresses and make up. So as he’s a bloke, he uses male facilities. Easy.

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 08:10

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:06

It's not me saying so, its your own actions….& you know that 😂

So to be clear, you’ve climbed down from the antisemitism accusations and now you’re saying that women only want people who conform to gendered stereotypes into women’s spaces?

Posting that Friends gif reminded me of a line Chandler uses in one episode that seems quite apt: how do you not fall down more?

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:11

Namelessnelly · 09/10/2025 08:09

What are you blithering about? Feminists want to smash gender stereotypes. I don’t care if a bloke wears a dress, full face of slap and calls himself harmonieee sparklepants. It just means he’s a bloke who likes dresses and make up. So as he’s a bloke, he uses male facilities. Easy.

What you say you want & what you actually do in the real world are two very different things.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/10/2025 08:11

Crikey

it’s incoherent nutjob central around here at the moment

I see ‘but muh sexist gender stereotypes’ guy is back

Namelessnelly · 09/10/2025 08:14

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:11

What you say you want & what you actually do in the real world are two very different things.

Err… are you ok mate? Seriously. Get some water and have a nice lie down. You're starting to sound a bit upset. Have you tried eating a biscuit.

Namelessnelly · 09/10/2025 08:15

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/10/2025 08:11

Crikey

it’s incoherent nutjob central around here at the moment

I see ‘but muh sexist gender stereotypes’ guy is back

Edited

Who sent out the batshit signal?

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:15

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 08:10

So to be clear, you’ve climbed down from the antisemitism accusations and now you’re saying that women only want people who conform to gendered stereotypes into women’s spaces?

Posting that Friends gif reminded me of a line Chandler uses in one episode that seems quite apt: how do you not fall down more?

Lol.
Um a topic change from JKR's self evident antisemitism isn't a climb down nor is pointing out that GC's participate in maintaining gendered stereotypes related to what they want in women's spaces.

You really have a serious comprehension 'issue.'

Beowulfa · 09/10/2025 08:18

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:03

You just like everyone else would distinguish women from men by gendered stereotypes in practice because you would rarely know for sure another's 'biological' sex status.

And don't waste my time telling me you can 'tell' because you can't.

Is it time for the picture of Eddie Izzard queuing for the womens loos wearing pink coat, fishnets and high heels; whilst actual women in trousers, anoraks and sensible shoes politely ignore him? Eddie is helpfully highlighting his "biological" sex status by having a public rummage down the front of his pants.

I've put a word in intalics for you, Howse, as you seem to think it confers authority and gravitas to your posts.