Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal Thread 3

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Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

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Abbreviations:
C or MK - Claimant, Maria Kelly
NC - Naomi Cunningham, barrister for C
KW - Katy Wedderburn, solicitor for C
R or L - Respondent. Leonardo UK
ST - Susanne Tanner KC, barrister for R
J - Judge
P - Panel member
GC - gender critical
GI - gender identity
AL - Andrew R Letton VP People Shared Services Leonardo - respondent witness

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Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5416903-kelly-v-leonardo-employment-tribunal-29th-september-10am?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5420656-kelly-v-leonardo-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

From TT

Conveys impressoin that if she has to crowd fund and what she fears from that may happen (names public) she may be subject to disp action
AL - again sound poor
NC - can you see how she may fear from her job

No. They know what the law is. Even if they got advice which was unlawful by dodgy actors previously, they know what it is after SC judgement. They aren’t complying with the law still. Fronting with the guff that it is ‘so, so complicated’. You’d have thought giving men who wish to go into women’s intimate spaces would have given more reflection than ‘whatever you want, mate’.

It's not about safety for the most part anyway. It's about privacy & dignity. (referring to all males visiting Leonardo being 'safe')

The way I heard it on TransReddit, this is the headquarters of the conspiracy/ resistance. (opinions may vary.) That's why I joined! I'm now wondering if there's another level where women gather in children's play areas and conspiciously unwrap Tunnocks wafers or tea cakes to identify each other. I'm trying to work out which one is the higher qualification or if I'd need to take both.

Sorry, but it's either laugh or cry right now.

Love your username 😍

That letter is outrageous.

It's hilarious. Now they are angry because some people think using the legal system is unfair and seemingly more effective than threatening women while waving badly painted placards.

NC just described the letter as menacing.

NC is doing a good job of showing what happens when a woman employee makes a complaint to the wonderfully inclusive Leonardo..

is the letter available for us to see anywhere?

From TT

AL - [missed]
NC - she said if I have to crowd fund...then have to generate interest. Do you feel this is perfectly legitimate

She has said she may have to do this thing, if I have to do this thing, there are certain conseq that will inev flow and further consequences that it may draw in attenion. She is making a prediction, not a threat.

Andy is a very, very slow reader.

Worse still, they keep winning and they're not being kind and giving us what we want. Therefore we are nasty people who, to quote a certain KC in the Sandie Peggie tribunal 'don't deserve the protection of the Equality Act.'

And a lot of us haven't got started yet.

Is this the letter where Maria was told Crowdfunding for a case would be bringing the company into disrepute? As though they aren't doing that off their own bat.

From TT

AL - I am not the author of this.
NC - 'if what you fear what happens, does happen we may need to take dis action. That's pretty threatening isn't it.
NC asks AL to read p77
apologies for lack of AL replies, the mic sound is unclear and I don't want to mis-quote

Paused for AL to read p77

TT is unable to hear AL properly, which is a shame, these are answers I'd really really love to hear!

I wonder if any journalists are going to go get transcripts of anything in the bundle.

Colour me surprised

Which is helpful because TT are tweeting very fast today.

I can't bear it when he has to read something. It's mind blowingly slow going

From TT

NC -so that points out that the threats amounted to victimisation but says won't add victimisation to the claim.
NC - p80 on L behalf, please read

I mean the real complaint is just that women are being treated in the law as actual human beings and not just resources for men to use and abuse as they see fit. That's their basic gripe.

Which is why women need the law and need to ensure the law is followed.

And as for Andy - does he realise the woeful rape conviction statistics? Most men who commit rape don't get convicted which is (partially) why women need single sex spaces.

Would any of you want to work at Leonardo after this? I wouldn't. I wouldn't want my daughters there either with a head of people that's all about the men.

I'm amazed that TT can hear as much as they do, they must have massive earholes.

Ooh like that girl talk we hear about?

See, Leonardo do care about diversity, they've given him a high powered job when he's hard of reading...