A little piece of insight

[Tandora]

Into a topic so woefully misunderstood.

@Tandora so you think that men who present as female (trans women) should be allowed in women’s spaces?

they should be allowed in toilets, on hospital wards, on prisons, counselling groups, sports?

that’s what you think should happen?

There's no "pretence" involved into either being trans or accepting trans people for who they are.

I cannot "coerce" you into thinking or believing anything - of course not. I am simply trying to inform/ explain/ educate about what it is to be trans

A person that unable to cope with physical reality is insane and needs intervention, not affirmation.

Why don't you spell it out for me Tandora?

So being trans is a feeling? Well good job we don’t make laws based on feelings isn’t it. If sone one is that upset when they are called by their correct sexed pronouns or referred to by the nouns relating to their sex, they need help. Still doesn’t mean they get to access spaces designated for the opposite sex.

I already did?

I’m still here. Still asking the same questions.

A trans woman knows they are a trans woman simply because of the acute psychological pain / torture/ disorientation / dissasociatjon they experience when someone calls them / perceives them as a man.

That doesn't mean they are a woman. They are a man with a problem.

So no then, they have absolutely no idea of what being a woman is then, because "being in pain when someone calls you a man" isn't womanhood.

(I presume. I'm male. But being in pain when someone calls you a woman isn't manhood either, so I presume it works both ways.)

It's mental illness, and while I'll happily do what I can to avoid exacerbating your mental illness, I'll call you by the name you've chosen, I'll avoid using the pronouns you hate. But there are limits, and a trans person imposing themselves in the single sex space or sport of the opposite sex it crossing that limit, and I will never support that.

This is just #bekind dressed up in long words.

No.

No it's not really appropriate / meaningful to describe being trans as "a feeling".

Being trans is a naturally occurring form of cognitive difference - akin to something like autism. It cannot be helped/ changed with therapy and it can cause acute psychological pain/ distress/ disorientation/ disassociation if repressed or denied.

My comment wasn’t about Arabella’s anorexia question - I’d have cut that part out of the quote if I knew how. I was responding to the paragraph above that - your conviction that “To impose explanations [on other people]…” is wrong and dangerous, as highlighting the absurdity and hypocrisy of your conviction that a transwoman entering a female space can assess the degree of distress of (ie. impose their own interpretation on) all the women in there and duly decide whether it’s sufficient to justify leaving.

I go into this in more detail in my long post a few posts above the one to which you’ve responded. I’ve read all your posts. Your misunderstanding here suggests perhaps that you’ve not read mine.

The pretence is that he is a woman and eligible to use women's spaces. Being a trans woman means he is a man. As you never grasp, the issue isn't that he's trans, it's that he's a man. He's not barred from women's spaces for being trans, he's barred because he's male.

And the only thing you are educating us in is just how dishonest and manipulative the arguments are for men in women's spaces.

That doesn't mean they are a woman. They are a man with a problem.

These are just words .

What matters is the person, the reality of their experience; and how society should respond to that.

You can call trans people "a problem" or you can accept them for who they are and realise that there is nothing inherently wrong or dangerous or unhealthy about being trans, it's just different to the norm.

So no then, they have absolutely no idea of what being a woman is then, because "being in pain when someone calls you a man" isn't womanhood.

This is an excellent point

If we must let men into women's spaces because otherwise they are distressed, why can't we have single sex spaces otherwise many women are distressed?

No, you said that the fearmongering about homosexuality that you saw in the African country were parallel to fears in the UK right now about so-called "trans ideology".

I've reflected carefully on the parallels, as you asked, and I do not accept that fearmongering about homosexuality is in any way similar to the expression of real fears from women about men in their spaces.

I think you are the one that needs to reflect.

Then trans people need a lot of therapy to help them cope don’t they? Maybe all the trans charities spending millions to bully people into affirming trans people would have been better off spending their money in working on better resources to help trans people cope in a world that will never see them as they wish to be seen.

Naughty, naughty, Tandora, shifting the meaning of posts. Men who are trans-identified have a problem. Though, tbf, they also are a problem if they insist everyone go along with their self-delusion by giving them access to women's spaces.

You need to listen to Dr Az Hakeem - his experience clearly shows that people who have transgender ideology ideation can be helped.

Still no comment on the excellent article by the psychologist who ended

Gender Dysphoria is a venal lie that is causing untold damage to innumerable people. Let us instead re conceptualise Gender Dysphoria for what it truly is: Body Anxiety Disorder (BAD) a novel, culture-bound expression of disordered emotional functioning.

Let clinicians be free to help distressed clients using all of our clinical skills and expertise. Do not tie our hands. Do not criminalise us.

When it comes to Gender Dysphoria, John F Kennedy’s words come to mind. “We subject all facts to a prefabricated set of interpretations. We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

We must now exercise thought and excise opinions. We must dismantle the teetering, cruel and destructive insanity of gender identity, gender dysphoria and gender affirming care.

We must drain Gender Dysphoria from our symptom pool.

x.com/Psychgirl211/status/1808825717204922755

Still here @Tandora still asking the same question.

I'm not sure how I can help you further 🤷🏼‍♀️.

The parallels are obvious and stark.

Any chance you could answer me @Tandora ?

I don't think you can "help" me further to see something that isn't there, no.