Always been GC, but now afraid I'm becoming transphobic

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I've always been gender critical and 100% in support of safe spaces for natal women only. I'm completely comfortable with being gender critical. But I'm concerned I've crossed a line into becoming a full on bigot, which is something I don't want to be. Due to my own background of mental health and trauma issues I follow pages on this issue on Facebook. I just saw one with a graphic post saying Using Preferred Pronouns Is Suicide Prevention and it made me want to scream and throw things.

I've been suicidal, I've attempted. I've battled see harm and self destructive behaviours since childhood. I should be sympathetic about the struggles people are having . But I feel manipulated seeing posts like that one. I use preferred names when I'm addressing trans persons. I am kind to them, I don't mention their issues. I treat them the same as anyone else. I will call a bloke Sue even if his real name is Bob, it feels odd, but I will do it to be respectful . But calling a he a she is a step too far. I would either use their name or use they.

Why do I feel so strongly that I'm being manipulated ? None of the trans people I know have abused me in any way. They haven't infringed on my boundaries . I have 2 trans friends, another who is non binary and 2 acquaintances. They have all been decent .

I just feel resentful that I'm being made to feel responsible for someone not taking their life because I don't affirm their identity ?

I'm horrible aren't I ? Please sort my head out !

The prevailing issues here are twofold, aren't they?

The first is that, because a meme graphic that's commonly shared on GC and other far-right fora appears to bear out - and lend legitimacy to - your prejudices, you are disinclined to search for proper data on the topic.

The second is that, as has been consistently and hysterically proven over many, many threads on MN, even if you were in receipt of the actual data and were able to interpret it correctly your confirmation bias is such that the facts are rendered worthless.

It's not for me to do your study for you, but I will give you two small yet salient points to start your homework with:

1. Prison data is not necessarily equal to crime data
2. There is a critical distinction between offending and conviction

I'll leave it for you to scratch your heads over this and see what you can come up with.

Here is a response for a FOI request to the NZ prison authority.

https://fyi.org.nz/request/10726/response/38463/attach/html/2/C110191%20Response.pdf.html

The results are looking similar around the globe.

In the time that took you typing this you could have written down how you interpret the data and why.

I don’t think I care enough what you think, @ThisPeppyGreenCritic🤷‍♀️ but thanks for the opportunity to tick off some squares on the old bingo card. Also I think I won my bet. Go me!

I do not sorry. I found it via twitter and I deleted my account last year (and I wasn't very good at archiving useful stuff before that anyway). It was interesting though because it wasn't from a TRA or a GC, but someone neutral-ish who just assumed it would be very wrong and easy to dismiss.

Wow. That is profound! You have really been clear now.

1. Prison data is not necessarily equal to crime data
2. There is a critical distinction between offending and conviction

I mean. Fuck!! These are profound statements that I am sure none of us have ever considered before. Thank you, oh revered expert, for opening our eyes with so much knowledge and your expertise!

yeah? Nah.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that@ThisPeppyGreenCriticisn't very bright.

I’m pretty sure the limitations of this data have been acknowledged many times before. I can probably quote myself doing it. Maybe it’s even on a spreadsheet somewhere.

The sneering to substance ratio here is off the scale.

Thank you. It's puerile comments like this that rather prove my point about most - but, significantly, not all - MNetters.

Peppy has been busy criticising the parenting skills of OP in the Teacher asked DD how she IDs thread. Quite the charmer.

You're telling us exactly who you are. Keep going.

ThisPeppyGreenCritic clearly does not understand what per capita means. When the trajectory is the same for the UK, US, Canada and New Zealand, they have no argument or comeback. If it were just the UK, they might have an argument. But when it is not one but four countries? They have no argument for that. And they know it and we know it. Their prejudice and pro-male bias means they refuse to admit or see the truth. But they are flailing about, and making a fool of themselves.

Quite.

Understatement of the year!

If Peppy had anything intelligent to say, they would have been clear about their own interpretation of the data and explained why they thought other interpretations were incorrect.

Instead of that, all we've had from them is sneering comments about how stupid we all are.

They obviously realised that they couldn't just sneer about Clare Dimyon's lack of intelligence (because that really would make them look even more ridiculous) but still couldn't explain why they thought she was wrong.

My recollection of Clare's analysis was that she disagreed with the interpretation which had appeared in the media and was being discussed on here, but irritatingly I can't find this analysis on her website or the discussions on here.

I think if the poster explained why we were wrong, it would make us suspicious as would have seen those opinions posted before, likely as links because it doesn’t seem that there was any chance that an actually thought out post was forthcoming.

It all seems rather familiar.

I know she had issues with the census data being used.

She was never afraid to discuss the issues with us and anyone who would listen. She is very open about what she does.

I also checked her site and remember checking it a few months ago for data, but I also couldn’t find what I was after on her site and I was sure it was there previously.

My suspicions about what Preppy would have said would revolve around what another poster has posted over and over and over. It all seems to revolve around discrimination within the justice service.

Pretty much this. I don’t give a shit any more tbh. It’s clear that anything other than capitulation to TRA and their demands, using compelled speech etc is “transphobia” so well, that’s me then. Meh.

Put me down as another out and proud transphobe too.

The census data is suspect and unreliable, but I think much of that is the number of “transgender” identified people overall as it’s suggested that people didn’t understand the question. To actively identify as a “trans woman” took more effort.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/2021-census-what-do-we-know-about-the-lgbt-population/#:~:text=What%20were%20the%20results%20on%20gender%20identity?,in%20a%20different%20gender%20identity.

The thing is, that the disproportionate figures still are high, even than even male sex crimes regardless. I have seen (probably done) calculations using Stonewalls' estimates, the trend remains.

What the figures, even using Stonewall's old estimates with that year's prison statistics, don't show? That the number of male people with transgender identities have a sex offence rate anywhere near the female sex offence rate.

The arguments that we have seen that are meant to provide some kind of thought provoking reasons as to why those figures are disproportionate also always are so weak that they cannot stand up to any analysis.

Like the claim that transgender people are disproportionately likely to get harsh sentences and be poorly treated. Well, I know there is a 5 year old girl out there whose father, who sexually abused her at least 77 times on video, who will be feeling very scared in a few years when her father is released from their lenient jail sentence. Lenient because their father is trans.

The fact that we can track the court cases and see that there is falsity to the claim of negative discrimination in the court process makes those claims farcical. But still we see them. Repeated by people who actually have not looked further than AI generated summaries. It is just more misogyny in action.

Yes! I got hysterical!!! Whoop!!