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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Well, hello Emma Watson

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crumpet · 24/09/2025 22:11

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15130209/Harry-Potter-Emma-Watson-treasures-J-K-Rowling-trans-rights.html

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Helleofabore · 25/09/2025 08:43

On thing you have to admit though, when misogyny is posted (such as that poor quality one about JK Rowling and her ‘sins’ - it really was a sin list) on a thread, the thread gets into the active listing and we end up with so many new readers.

Thanks for those posters who post misogyny onto a feminist board. It keeps reinforcing the point that the arguments are so poor.

Woodwalk · 25/09/2025 08:45

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 00:55

WTF's being able to drive as an adult woman got to do with anything?
Plenty of adult women who are her age or older like me don't drive either.

It's actually deeply relevant as the majority of the article is her faffing around explaining why she got banned from driving for speeding.

She says it's strange as on a set she can do anything, sing, dance, do stunts, but can't seem to remember her keys, money, or to drive 30 in a 30.

She also says she got used to never driving anywhere as was always driven to set.

These are weak excuses for a woman in her 30s, who hasn't had an acting role for 7 years now!

teawamutu · 25/09/2025 08:45

Cosseted, self-righteous idiot begins to sense that her luxury beliefs are no longer as fashionable and takes a tentative step backwards into the beginnings of a reverse ferret.

Here's Tom with the weather.

usedtobeaylis · 25/09/2025 08:45

She seen the amount of big, unbowed names signing up for the new audiobooks and realised she was a coward.

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 08:45

deadpan · 25/09/2025 08:41

So by your analysis someone highlighting that the same traits, that often bring men to attack girls and women or disregard their safety, are present in men who identify as trans is "dog whistling".

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people”

-Trump

See how dog whistling works?

WimbledonWhites · 25/09/2025 08:46

eleanorwish · 25/09/2025 07:50

With the accompanying smirk.

Yes I thought that was just nasty and what an awful way to treat someone you’d had a good working relationship with and previously professed to admire. At least Daniel Radcliffe didn’t make it vicious like that.

usedtobeaylis · 25/09/2025 08:48

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 06:20

It's sad isn't it?
Whatever you think of Emma Watson, a public figure attempting to lower the temperature of the inflammatory dehumanising nature public discourse has become is commendable. Of course for many it serves a purpose.

Aye that's what she's doing 😂

CameltoeParkerBowles · 25/09/2025 08:48

CameltoeParkerBowles · 25/09/2025 08:42

No, but she didn't have to put the boot in to the person who made it possible for her to have any kind of career.

Besides, nurses and civil servants, plus anyone working in the arts, have been forced to parrot the TWAW lie for the last ten years in order to keep their jobs. But the TRA mob have no issue with that at all.

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 08:48

CameltoeParkerBowles · 25/09/2025 08:42

No, but she didn't have to put the boot in to the person who made it possible for her to have any kind of career.

I don't recall Emma Watson ever "putting the boot in".

teawamutu · 25/09/2025 08:50

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 08:45

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people”

-Trump

See how dog whistling works?

Likening fact-based concerns about a completely different topic to racism? Yes, I do. I'd say well done, but it would feel wrong.

Well, hello Emma Watson
usedtobeaylis · 25/09/2025 08:50

Emma Watson is a passive aggressive faux wide-eyed liberal 'feminist'. She's not credible on any subject really.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 08:51

WallaceinAnderland · 24/09/2025 22:16

Holy Moly the TRAs are going to eat her alive

Wait for the Margaret Atwood style recanting in 3...2...1...

deadpan · 25/09/2025 08:52

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 06:53

There's nothing mentally unwell about embracing one's own organic inclination towards femininity or masculinity in fact its a thoroughly widespread normalised phenomena.

Edited

There are three reasons why a man thinks he's a woman. Either he has a fetish, he has gender dysphoria, or he's been pushed towards thoughts that because he's gay and doesn't present as a traditional man he must therefore be female.
When I say pushed I don't say it glibly, my kids are two young adults and I've seen the onslaught of trans on the social media they use.
If you want to call all or any of that organic full your boots. No one is saying trans people shouldn't live their lives in safety, we just don't want males in females spaces. It's that simple.

Hellohelga · 25/09/2025 08:53

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 04:33

Whilst it's true that those are JKR's views & those views are mainstream, the issue is how those views are framed which for many constitute dehumanising demonising dog whistles that by their very nature provide convenient plausible deniability. Whilst we can never know what is truly in JKR's heart, we can know that she not only supports many who are explicitly using such language as do her supporters but doesn't disavow it as Sex Matters does on their website to their credit. Of course she is not required to disavow what she must know is going on to prove her innocence but it certainly smells like complicity when she doesn't given the huge influence she wields.

What are you on about? Don’t understand a word of that.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 08:55

WimbledonWhites · 24/09/2025 22:51

Everything in that article showcases perfectly how living such a privileged, cosseted life leads you to luxury beliefs like TWAW.

Yes, she said the quiet part out loud, didn't she?

"I've spent the last 25 years in a Hollywood bubble where I was completely insulated from the real world and had everything done for me, and now I'm 36 and lack the most basic life skills that most other people have."

Yes, Emma, you do. You haven't grown up in the real world, and neither have most of the people you hang out with. And JK Rowling might be far richer than you will ever be, but she did grow up in the real world and has experienced real life in a way that you never have and never will. So maybe her point of view is worth listening to.

ElectoralControversy · 25/09/2025 08:56

Thanks @Helleofabore for your point by point disassembly of that nonsense

I don't have the patience to type anything longer than "none of that says what you say it says, and you don't know what a dog whistle is" 😄

Bollihobs · 25/09/2025 08:57

Yawhat · 25/09/2025 04:13

She's bounced joblessly from posh uni to posh uni and now spends her time flogging gin. I'm sure JKR's thrilled to be vaguely endorsed by one of the greatest thinkers of our time.

😂😂👏👏 Indeed!

catSlaveToTwo · 25/09/2025 08:57

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/09/2025 07:50

This is that golden bridge isn't it? We just have to accept that those who did so much harm by promoting Mermaids, spouting TWAW and cancel culture are finally recognising that they're on the wrong side of history. Stating that it's OK to be a grown up and acknowledge and live with differences / disagreements is being an adult.
Welcome to adulthood Emma.

A lot of posters said over years that many of the young female supporters spouting TWAW would when they get some life experience under them likely get less vocal and less supporting as life started hitting them in the face.

I've seen it with DD1 changes in social group and a bit more life experience under her belt.

It would have been nice if Emma had at least kept quiet while she was gaining that but such a public platform did her no favours.

It's a first step maybe there some ulterior motive but maybe she just slowly growing up but more in the public eye than most and taking longer doing it.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 08:58

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 04:33

Whilst it's true that those are JKR's views & those views are mainstream, the issue is how those views are framed which for many constitute dehumanising demonising dog whistles that by their very nature provide convenient plausible deniability. Whilst we can never know what is truly in JKR's heart, we can know that she not only supports many who are explicitly using such language as do her supporters but doesn't disavow it as Sex Matters does on their website to their credit. Of course she is not required to disavow what she must know is going on to prove her innocence but it certainly smells like complicity when she doesn't given the huge influence she wields.

What views do you think JK Rowling has failed to disavow, and are they worse than "TERFs should be beheaded", a view you have failed to disavow, or indeed "female people shouldn't have the right to exist in law", which is a view you actually personally hold?

YourBrickTiger · 25/09/2025 08:59

Howseitgoin · 24/09/2025 22:56

Well done! Emma Watson has always been a class act. Nice to see her maintain consistency in treating those you disagree with respectfully.

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I don't agree. I've seen interviews with her and her behaviour at an awards ceremony and she seemed downright nasty and a bit of a bully tbh.

Butchyrestingface · 25/09/2025 09:00

If Emma is backpedaling, I wonder when Tom Felton will be inspired to emerge from the chrysalis as a TERF MAGA, complete with the t-shirt.

I've been rooting for him for a while. Grin

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 09:00

YourBrickTiger · 25/09/2025 08:59

I don't agree. I've seen interviews with her and her behaviour at an awards ceremony and she seemed downright nasty and a bit of a bully tbh.

Yeah, remember "all the witches"?

She's a real mean girl.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/09/2025 09:00

teawamutu · 25/09/2025 08:45

Cosseted, self-righteous idiot begins to sense that her luxury beliefs are no longer as fashionable and takes a tentative step backwards into the beginnings of a reverse ferret.

Here's Tom with the weather.

🤣🤣

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 09:01

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 00:53

Exactly, where does it say she's changed her mind?
Have people actually read the article?
It just says that she hopes people can still get on even if they don't always share the same opinions, which sounds grounded and sensible seeing as they knew each other and got on before all the "trans differences" between them.
It also says where JK apparently said earlier that she "could never forgive her" (for her views and saying she can't agree with her?!)
I know who sounds the most reasonable and it's not JK

Hmmm, lets see:

JK - females need human rights.
EW - no they don't need human rights or single sex spaces, and males in a dress are the victims.
JK - I can't forgive you for thinking rape survivors and Domestic Violence victims don't deserve human rights. The most vulnerable having safety, dignity and privacy is not something I can compromise on.

And coming away thinking JK is the less reasonable one. Fuck me dead.

Butchyrestingface · 25/09/2025 09:03

I read an interview with Tom Burke of Strike fame, where he revealed he asked for media training from the BBC on how to handle enquiries about JKR and the trans issue.

He was resolutely a-political in his answers on the GC versus trans debate. Which made me think hope he's secretly GC and just too afraid to nail his colours to the mast.

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