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Well, hello Emma Watson

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crumpet · 24/09/2025 22:11

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15130209/Harry-Potter-Emma-Watson-treasures-J-K-Rowling-trans-rights.html

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GoldThumb · 25/09/2025 07:47

Collaborate · 25/09/2025 07:43

TERFS: Don’t cancel us because of our beliefs!

also TERFS: How dare Emma Watson not cancel JKR because of her beliefs!

Lol, what?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 25/09/2025 07:47

Collaborate · 25/09/2025 07:43

TERFS: Don’t cancel us because of our beliefs!

also TERFS: How dare Emma Watson not cancel JKR because of her beliefs!

Emma Watson had a good go at cancelling JK, the silly sausage

is JKR really having Fleetwood Mac play at her birthday party? because if so, that’s totally awesome (and I’d probably prevaricate about some of my views to get an invitation too)

WandChoosesTheWitch · 25/09/2025 07:47

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 00:55

WTF's being able to drive as an adult woman got to do with anything?
Plenty of adult women who are her age or older like me don't drive either.

Yes, yes, plenty of women don’t drive/haven’t learnt to drive. It’s no biggie. And yes, JKR also doesn’t drive.

But have you actually read the article? It’s the way she speaks about why she did not learn to drive properly - I got driven everywhere, yes as a child actor you did and as an adult actor whilst shooting a film. I’m highlighting her very privileged background and the fact she’s a grown woman but talks like she is very young.

Fluffytoebeanz · 25/09/2025 07:48

I wonder if she's starting to see things from a different perspective. She's openly re embraced someone she strongly criticised and opened Pandora's box without actually saying she's GC.

eleanorwish · 25/09/2025 07:50

Deerfolk · 25/09/2025 07:42

I remember her speech with the ‘bar one’. During the height of anti JKR. Now she’s slivetherin back.

With the accompanying smirk.

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 07:50

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/09/2025 07:42

Indeed.
This is from a man from Australia who for ....reasons.... spends hours every day on a UK feminist board lecturing women with his own distorted views of feminism, women, the UK and politics
😂😂😂

Edited

He takes what women say, calls it a "dog whistle for" and then makes something up, or just takes something that's actually true and has been pointed out many times, like sex offenders claiming a female identity to get placed in a women's prison. Or he takes something quite objectively awful, like men punching women in a boxing ring, and calls that a dog whistle too, because apparently that's not actually bad enough on its own and is actually code for something else that's even worse. Mate, we don't need to dog whistle when a female athlete gets her skull broken by a man in a boxing ring, or has to concede in seconds to prevent it. That really is the bad thing we are pointing out.

He somehow thinks all this is a win for his side. Keep watching, we're going to get posts consisting of a single Wikipedia link to something totally irrelevant soon.

As for Watson, well firstly who cares what she thinks about anything, but this looks like an attempt to keep her TRA army on side while gaining points for being so nice and sweet and reasonable because of course we can have different opinions blah blah. She's always been an appalling actress, what makes her think she'll convince anyone now?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/09/2025 07:50

This is that golden bridge isn't it? We just have to accept that those who did so much harm by promoting Mermaids, spouting TWAW and cancel culture are finally recognising that they're on the wrong side of history. Stating that it's OK to be a grown up and acknowledge and live with differences / disagreements is being an adult.
Welcome to adulthood Emma.

GoldThumb · 25/09/2025 07:51

PinkChaires · 25/09/2025 07:46

I wonder if the new hbo series has made her realise that she might not always be beloved due to her hermione granger role and she wants to become closer to jk rowling before the new series takes over and the movies potentially become sidelined

I thought exactly this.

Funny timing.

Probably trying to get back in there for some Hermoine meets Hermoine photo ops

Theunamedcat · 25/09/2025 07:54

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 00:53

Exactly, where does it say she's changed her mind?
Have people actually read the article?
It just says that she hopes people can still get on even if they don't always share the same opinions, which sounds grounded and sensible seeing as they knew each other and got on before all the "trans differences" between them.
It also says where JK apparently said earlier that she "could never forgive her" (for her views and saying she can't agree with her?!)
I know who sounds the most reasonable and it's not JK

A bit like when JKR wrote an essay people didn't read that either

MoltenLasagne · 25/09/2025 07:58

Personally, I think its a good thing that EW is consciously stepping back from the cancel culture she previously supported.

Yes, it is galling, yes it is probably motivated by self interest, but the tide is turning, and every single person who crosses back over the golden bridge makes it easier for the next one.

MrsMitford3 · 25/09/2025 07:59

Poor little film star.

I agree with PP's that she may be sensing the shifting sands and is scrambling to stay relevant.
I didn't realise the last film she made was in 2018.
I suspect she is also looking back and (although I think she has the self awareness of a teaspoon...) may begin to see what JK gave her and is softening her stance. Going for a half in/half out -which historically not success.

I can not forgive the interviews she gave-laughing and saying of course she would share a loo with a trans woman and all sorts of things which obviously have no impact on her life but do have on women and girls outside of her bubble. She was very outspoken on TWAW and helped ingrain that thought in little girls who loved hermione-using her platform to influence.

Her crocodile tears not moving me.

Lou7171 · 25/09/2025 08:03

MoltenLasagne · 25/09/2025 07:58

Personally, I think its a good thing that EW is consciously stepping back from the cancel culture she previously supported.

Yes, it is galling, yes it is probably motivated by self interest, but the tide is turning, and every single person who crosses back over the golden bridge makes it easier for the next one.

Lol I'm not sure that the 'tide is turning' on cancel culture

DrBlackbird · 25/09/2025 08:11

@Helleofabore that was a brilliant post.

The interpretation of 'Dog whistle for trans people as deluded pedatory sex abusers' is taking an absolutist, catastrophised view and assuming the worst in words that don't explicitly say what has been claimed.

Really does get tiring to push back on all the many distortions and lies so thank you. Assuming the worst, catastrophic language, poor comprehension is common in the accusations.

Otherwise, the sad truth is that many (many!) young women spout TWAW nonsense because they have been brought up to bekind and because this mantra has played out endlessly in social media, repeated by educationalists, by politicians, by health care professionals etc ad nauseaum.

Of course and unfortunately it is going to take women to get older to wake up to the reality that privileging a feeling over the physical reality of a material body is highly problematic. So I’m very much hoping that EW is changing her mind. However what’s more likely is that EW still thinks TWAW but now also thinks she’s being kind by modelling civil disagreement. Maybe it’s a start.

soupycustard · 25/09/2025 08:15

TheBafflingIsGenerallyComplete · 25/09/2025 06:54

TW are males with gender dysphoria, right? So doesn’t that mean they are mentally not well by definition?

This. And it's yet another example of how regressive gender ideology is, that having a mental health problem is considered some kind of slur, or at least the male rights activists pretend that it is. I had thought society was moving past this kind of attitude to mental health, but of course not.
Of course it is far more clear with young, often neurodiverse, girls who trans-identify that there is poor mental health involved. And also, mental health is certainly spouted all the time as a reason why males' desire for validation is more important than female sex-based rights.
But the MRAs dont want a genuine discussion about mental health, because it's too important to their movement to be able to claim that all the, often older, often aggressive, males are just as vulnerable as the young girls.

Helleofabore · 25/09/2025 08:15

The term dog whistle has been so misused it has become as meaningless as the term inclusion.

Of course, dog whistle is a dog whistle of a phrase itself. I cannot believe that supposedly thinking people still use it. It is a buzz word past its use by date.

But also enlightening in its use. It is now all too commonly used to describe women’s words.

Whodathunkit! That a poster using the term ‘dog whistle’ to describe JK Rowling’s words, also uses terms like whoring, super-feminine and Karen. And who declares that any female people excluding male people (except for the concession of safety) will contribute to male people not being able to act with respect towards female people.

Not surprising when you realise the articles that this poster links usually display such hatred of women. Like that needed to make accusations such as ‘it is not what she says, but how she says it’.

When you see this hatred, you cannot miss it again.

WarrenTofficier · 25/09/2025 08:16

There is an actual trans character in the Silkworm, they are very sympathetically portrayed by JKR. What is that a dog whistle for? 🤷‍♀️

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 08:17

WarrenTofficier · 25/09/2025 08:16

There is an actual trans character in the Silkworm, they are very sympathetically portrayed by JKR. What is that a dog whistle for? 🤷‍♀️

I can't wait to find out.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 25/09/2025 08:18

GoldThumb · 25/09/2025 07:51

I thought exactly this.

Funny timing.

Probably trying to get back in there for some Hermoine meets Hermoine photo ops

I thought this too and also wondered if the fact that her good friend Tom Felton,who came out in support of JKR but hasn't been cancelled (in fact the opposite as he's doing The Cursed Child on Broadway soon) had any effect.

I'm pretty sure that whatever her motive is for this it'll a self interested one and whilst I hope she stands by her words she is someone who as an actor who from a young ago has been used to being feted by everyone around her so I can see her backtracking when the backlash kicks in.

LindorDoubleChoc · 25/09/2025 08:25

For anyone who doesn't want to read a Mail Online article:

  1. EW says she hopes people "can still love me" for believing TWAW
  2. Has been banned from driving because she keeps on breaking the speed limit having got used to being driven to work for years
  3. Hollywood is not a nice place
ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 08:26

The funny thing is, even if this is an attempt to get in on the TV series publicity, she doesn't need to do it for that. JKR has made it very clear (like a woman who's taken the amount of abuse she has needs to dog whistle anything!) that she has no interest in trying to silence or sack anyone who holds different views. The new HP cast, as far as I know, were not made to utter "TWAW" before being offered their roles and she was very open that even if she could sack Essiedu for disagreeing with her, she wouldn't.

Daleksatemyshed · 25/09/2025 08:29

EW did seem surprized and rather put out that JK would rehash the HP story with someone else in her original role. Surely she's old enough now to understand that you can't bite the hand that feeds you without some consequences

Butchyrestingface · 25/09/2025 08:30

A classic case of trying to appease both sides and end up pleasing neither.

Switzerland is that way, Emma. 👉🏻👉🏻👉🏻

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 08:38

Watson and all the others are allowed to hold different views to JKR; they don't have to agree with her just because they played her characters.

What really pissed me off was that, as far as I can recall, none of them ever spoke out against all the deranged abuse and threats she received and still does. Did any of them ever say, "I disagree with her on this but I'm appalled by all the threats and abuse and they need to stop"?

deadpan · 25/09/2025 08:41

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 04:44

"when she was slammed for "liking" a tweet that referred to trans women as "men in dresses.”

-Supporting a dog whistle for ‘deluded’/mentally ill

Months later, Rowling came under fire again for coming to the defense of Maya Forstater. At the time, the researcher had been waging an employment discrimination battle, as her contract with a think tank wasn't renewed after she made a series of anti-trans statements. These statements included that people should not be "compelled to play along with literal delusions like 'transwomen are women,'" and she referred to a gender-fluid person as a "man who likes to dress in women's clothes.”

-Supporting those who explicitly call trans people ‘deluded’/mentally ill

"Rowling revealed she is a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual assault and said this led her to sympathize with women who had "concerns around single-sex spaces." She argued against throwing "open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he's a woman.”

-Dog whistle for trans people as deluded predatory sex abusers

"Rowling published a new novel titled "Troubled Blood" under the pseudonym Robert Galbraith. The book, which revolved around a male serial killer who dresses like a woman, was accused of being anti-trans.
It was disappointing that Rowling was propagating a "long-standing and hurtful presentation of trans women as a threat," a spokesperson for Mermaids, a charity that supports trans children, said to CNN. Rowling, meanwhile, said the book "was loosely based" on real killers."

-Dog whistle for trans people as mentally ill abusers of women

"When Scotland's new Hate Crime and Public Order Act went into effect in April, Rowling tried to bait them into arresting her with posts online. The law criminalizes "stirring up hatred" against people based on their race, religion, disability, sexuality or gender identity. By passing the law, Scotland "placed higher value on the feelings of men performing their idea of femaleness, however misogynistically or opportunistically, than on the rights and freedoms of actual women and girls," Rowling said in the thread on X. If anything she wrote qualified as an offense under the new law, "I look forward to being arrested when I return to the birthplace of the Scottish Enlightenment," Rowling said."

-Dog whistle for trans people as deluded/mentally ill predatory abusers of women

"Rowling posted a photo from the fight, accusing Khelif of being a man who was "enjoying the distress of a woman he's just punched in the head."

-Dog whistle for mentally ill trans person who enjoys abusing of women

https://theweek.com/feature/1020838/jk-rowlings-transphobia-controversy-a-complete-timeline

So by your analysis someone highlighting that the same traits, that often bring men to attack girls and women or disregard their safety, are present in men who identify as trans is "dog whistling".

CameltoeParkerBowles · 25/09/2025 08:42

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 07:41

Are you suggesting people should lie about their values as a trade off for a job?

No, but she didn't have to put the boot in to the person who made it possible for her to have any kind of career.

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