Is it safety or separation?

[OneFlakyMaker]

When opposing transgender people in women's spaces, are you looking for safe spaces or separate spaces?

They may overlap but are not the same thing, and while a lot of the discussion is focused on safety, the tone and some arguments hint that addressing safety won't be enough for many people to feel comfortable. Instead, a place without males is sought.

I read one woman described it "At the club we used the women's bathroom to get a break from interacting with men".

indeed. On another thread they claim to be a midwife....I sincerely hope not!

Why cant you cope with a cubicle within a female changing space?

Woman on woman is equal. Men can kill women easily. Man on woman is not equal. Hence why women have these spaces for safety. Saying 'oh women can harm too' is a spurious desperate argument and it holds no water.

Well hello Bunny

So nice to meet the real you😬

Nobody is freezing you out.

It's simply that women's rights aren't yours to give away.

So now because I won't agree with you, its all "she must be a man", don't speak to her etc. What a petty group of adults!

I don’t feel unsafe around women, but I also prefer a seperate changing room based on sex, with individual cubicles within it.

I don’t like wandering around a mixed sex changing room/village after a shower. I don’t really like changing in a mixed sex room even in a cubicle next to a man. Past sexual assaults and filming with a hidden camera have left me very wary of strange men.

Although I’ve been abroad and been in total nudity single sex changing rooms with tonnes of nude women, I didn’t feel unsafe, I’m just too self conscious, so that would be dignity.

I have already explained that.

I suggest you read my posts.

Who is giving away anything? I just suggested cubicles in a single spaced changing room. Stop fabricating things to pretend youre having an argument.

I’m sorry you were sexually abused and assaulted. But what are you advocating for here?

No it's because you're being rude and goady, and showing a surprising lack of empathy for a victim of violence.

What changing in a safe, private space? I'll go with yes.

Enough. Reported.

And I suggested both cubicles and an open changing space within the women’s single sex changing rooms (and fwiw in the men’s too). It will be cheaper to provide and meet the wishes of those who wish to use a cubicle and also those who either prefer to be or don’t mind being in a communal space.

Why is that unacceptable to you?

Thats what I suggested. Separated by sex with individual cubicles to prohibit communal nudity.

Despite the OP’s framing, the question why single sex provision is desired. There is a strong societal preference for single sex provision in specific public spaces. The preference is usually underpinned by reasons linked to safety and/or vulnerability.

The mention of trans people reflects poor communication or confusion. Trans people have a sex, and most people advocating for single sex provision expect everyone to use the provision designated for their sex.

The complication comes from transmen who pass. If they are likely to be perceived as male, they could cause alarm or distress. Most transmen who pass do not want to use provision for females, so there are few issues arising from this.

So what is you solution?

Ok that there proves you're not a woman. No woman would accuse another woman of making up her story to feel 'victimised'. Victimised? How fucking dare you! Women don't treat each other that way. Only a male would basically outright call a rape survivor a liar like that and minimise her experience. Your posts are cruel, abhorrent and absolutely disgusting! And you only joined today, too. Things that make you go hmmmm.

Why do you need an open changing space to see naked people and get naked in front of others? I find that strange. Go in a public in a female changing area.

Quite happy to send my gynae letter and crime number to mnhq.

Nobody knows what men are plotting when they invade wonens spaces so we have no way of knowing.

Oh be quiet. Women always disbelieve other women. It proves im a man. What nonsense.

Frozen out? You're spamming multiple threads and being personally offensive. Take a break.