Shon Faye - 'well, it's over' - a brief eulogy for the "trans rights" movement.

[CassOle]

https://shonfaye.substack.com/p/well-its-over

Shon does not understand why the 'trans rights' movement got pushback.

Feck sake. The constant finger pointing and victimhood is draining. This has never been our fault so stop bloody blaming us. We weren't the ones who misrepresented the law to trans people and none of us hate them either. We'd just like to keep hold of the things we've managed to achieve for ourselves over the last few decades.

I know what you mean. Though I'm feeling an odd mix of schadenfreude and pity after reading his piece.

Well they have to blame someone, anyone, don’t they, because they are as sure as hell not going to take any responsibility themselves. These men hate women, and they especially hate us when they have failed spectacularly to BE us. Cry me a river.

Why pity?

😂😂😂

Nope, can’t find any pity.

He'd probably enjoy that.

But may all his shits be hedgehogs.

😂😂

Shon Faye and his 'women, enjoy your erasure' was when I peaked. I felt so despondent and lost back then. Today is a day I thought I'd never see. Thank you Mumsnet.

This reads like the seeding of a reinvention

(see also Milo Y - apparently that scum is reforming and using the assassination of Charlie Kirk as an excuse).

Not sure. I've been somewhat regularly poring through the trans forums after the SC judgement came out as a curiosity to see how they're all reacting to it and as a consequence I'm now feeling quite sorry for them as a group. It's probably related to that.

god that whole thing was one huge role play. Shon giving us his 'sad, angry, vulnerable but strong laydee'

Trans women are expected to put a brave face on everything! They’re calling for vigilante violence against us on the news. Let me have my fucking grief!

just use the gents Shon. You'll be fine

Yep. I’m quoting him. Who’s the losers now Shonny boy?

This 💯

wasn't he the one whose advice to young TIMs was something like 'get tits early and be really slutty'?

If you truly believe yourself to be the opposite sex, backed up by mountains of queer theory (which is all balls but is a whole industry) it must be thoroughly strange to have your identity discussed at a national scale. It’s not that I have sympathy for Shon, necessarily, but I can’t help seeing some trans people as having severe disorders of the self (there are some others that are just fucking chancers and perverts) but given the way this has been politicised by both the left and the right I can’t help but see Shon as having also been gaslighted to some extent. What was essentially a psychological problem has become a political identity.

I actually don’t think Shon walks around all day feeling like a woman, whatever that means, I think they walk around with a huge sense of self loathing that isn’t going to go away when society reaches this magical leave of trans acceptance the far left are envisioning.

If this had stayed as essentially a tiny curio of an issue rather than the new ideological purity test we’d all be in a better situation here. Shon has done a huge amount to put us in this situation, so my sympathies are somewhat limited, but how horrible would it be to be so at war with your own body. What issues happened in Shon’s life that the solution was to undergo all this surgery and hassle.

Shana, they bought their tickets. They knew what they were getting into.

I say, let 'em crash.

I'm not sorry for them at all. If they want to portray themselves as a giant wall of sad, then crack on.

They are still delusional and frequently aggressive men.

Securing access to reasonable employment is something we should be supporting for trans people. I thought this during the M&S bra fitting debacle. However, that means access to jobs both without discrimination, but also without the job having to be a platform for their reflexive enjoyment of their own identity. Work doesn't have to be all about them being trans. It's probably not wise for M&S to train them as bra fitters, but there are plenty of opportunities for them to be managers, cashiers, cleaners, lorry drivers and so on for M&S where their authentic selves aren't relevant because they just have to show up and do the job. If you can do that, Shon, you'll be ok. Though somehow I doubt you can.

Thank you very much for that oldreddit link @eatfigs .

There are some comments on there that I’m very pleased to read, essentially saying that there are trans people who just get on with their lives in ordinary jobs.

Here’s part of one from bluewingedyoshi:

I saw Shon Faye host a panel at Glastonbury a year and a half ago on trans liberation, on the panel were other trans writers.
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Just putting on some moderately smart clothes on, grabbing your lanyard, water bottle and handbag and going to work did not compute, nobody on the panel had anything at all to say when a young trans person asked about their concerns around navigating the office whilst trans because none had ever done so.
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Will life be harder for us? Yup! Will moving to new employers be harder than before? Probably! But it’s through this critical pathway where qualifications and experience are achieved and built upon that trans future in Britain lies.
Any young trans person reading this, go crush your A-levels, go study something with a strong future and solid job security, go develop yourself knowing that it is worth while because you don’t need to work in EDI, after dinner speaking, writing or sex work, because your future is yours to craft.
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Edit: just add in case this is useful to anyone that some of the secure employment areas that I know trans people have jobs in are as follows: academia, teaching, coding, software development, software support, accounting, marketing and so many areas all across the NHS.

My edit: MN coding has changed the Reddit poster’s name. It’s blue underscore winged underscore yoshi, without the gaps.
It’s what I’d like to say to the people I’ve taught who identify as trans: it’s not your only quality, there are other aspects to you. Study, get qualifications, do something that interests you as well.

Medical malpractice lawyer?

I can't type much, (phone problems) but I'd like to say what profound pleasure that article gave me.

Shon Faye is a rancid misogynist, who has made it all too clear the contempt he has for our sex. To see him acknowledge that the game is.up brings me a shameless and deep satisfaction. Enjoy your erasure, eh, sweetie?

No body should ever look or expect to make a living from their fucking identity any more than they should expect to make a living from their personality.
Your identity is not a talent or an accomplishment. It does it bring anything meaningful to society. It has real meaning and value only to you. You should not expect to be able to monetise it. And you don't get to moan when your grift gets rumbled.

Fuck off and get a proper job

Bless, the budgie returns!