Shon Faye - 'well, it's over' - a brief eulogy for the "trans rights" movement.

[CassOle]

https://shonfaye.substack.com/p/well-its-over

Shon does not understand why the 'trans rights' movement got pushback.

He took the piss out of Mumsnet at his little stand up comedy shindigs. Whatevs, Shon.

Fair enough, I'm sure I remember reading something unpleasant by him, but clearly not that one. Either way, oh dear, how sad, what a shame etc....

He’s a trained lawyer I think, but unlike RMW and Maugham he obviously doesn’t hold out much hope of using his legal skillz to save the day.

Sad, sad times.

He was more in the pseduo intellectual wing of the movement. He's the one who said women are a "loose, shifting constellation of biological, political and cultural phenomena which varies according to context, place & time". Which is a convenient definition if you're not actually a woman but would like to tell people you are.

‘Being unemployable and actively discriminated against in society is not a good place to be.’

I think this is an example of FAFO. Shon didn’t give two shits about the women to whom this happened.

https://old.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1nj99ck/well_its_over_a_brief_eulogy_for_the_trans_rights/

“I worked at Stonewall in those precise years myself – largely because it was one of the few places I felt I could work – and even at the time could sense this liberal priority of legal recognition was only entrenching the authority of the state and of capricious politicians. But my trans colleagues (all in relatively junior roles - trans women never occupied significant influence at Stonewall) also did genuinely good work in NHS stakeholder groups on healthcare access and with schools. It was a job.”

Such admissions….

He’s really saying the quiet part out loud isn’t he?

He wrote this for the Guardian in 2014.

Men in makeup: lawyer by day, glamour puss by night | Makeup | The Guardian

https://archive.ph/vSP0c

Although it says lawyer in the title, in the article he talks about working in financial services.

Jesus Christ.
How did they get anyone to swallow this shite?

”I am broadly in agreement with recent observations made by the formidable Jules Gill-Peterson in this respect about the need to restore the centrality of class-based analysis to transsexual politics: transitioning medically makes you significantly poorer and any trans politics should start there.”

Imagine that! Imagine that paying for extreme body modifications that are purely elective leaves someone poorer!

And that this personal choice of expenditure should be considered as part of these group’s oppression. All based on their philosophical belief about themselves that doesn’t reflect material reality. Remarkable.

Such clarity is welcome.

'The segregation law' = using the correct single-sex facilities for your sex, or unisex facilities - just like everyone else.

'Reduced access to medical care' = (hopefully) a return to evidence-based medicine - which is the gold standard. Calling body modification 'medical care' is a big stretch.

Didn't Jolyon make a rather disturbing quip about sliding into his DMS?

Quite. It's like me claiming that dyeing my hair is medical care as it makes me feel less sad about going grey. Total bollocks.

Oh dear, the poor lamb is sad because he and his are no longer fashionable. Bless his undersized wooden heart.

The most telling comment there is the “Shon did a thing at Glastonbury” post where he had no answers for someone who was trying to navigate the real world.

Because the ideology doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny, not even “How do I deal with trying to present as female when my colleagues know I’m not?”, and they know it. They just don’t want to admit it or accept it, hence the Special Bubbles which are now popping left, right and centre.

#SadTimes indeed.

So he is admitting the gig is up? Interesting.

Oh my goodness i am having a most delicious moment of sheer joy having read his piece, what a spiteful TERF i am.

happy days

Agreed but I think he's right about them becoming less employable and treated with suspicion.

In case any new posters swing by and think we’re being unduly harsh, this was Shon Faye’s response when someone tried to point out the impact of self-ID on women on Twitter several years ago. I can guarantee someone here kept a copy of the tweet. Hence the lack of sympathy for Shon.

He’s lamenting the loss of his grifting, those Halcyon days when organisations fell over themselves to prostrate themselves at the altar of all things trans.

Maybe he will turn to “sex work” now.

Wasn't he asked what advice he'd give to trans youth, and replied 'have sex, get tits early'?

I don't hate many people in this world but christ I hate that guy.

Not sure I have any fucks left to give.