"Right or Left, I want No Part in Extremism" - Milli Hill

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A thoughtful article by Milli Hill today.

https://millihill.substack.com/p/right-or-left-i-want-no-part-of-extremism

I can't help but find myself agreeing with her.

I know there's been a lot of debate on here about Kelly-Jay and whether she supports the far right.

Milli's article links to a Twitter post by Tommy Robinson showing an event and his inner circle. Kelly-Jay is there, dressed in a Union Jack.

This is pretty conclusive now, isn't it? You don't go and hang out with racists like Tommy Robinson and pals in times like these if you don't support them, surely?!

Milli's stood up for Kelly-Jay before, but this is a step too far for her, and for me too.

Just wondering what others think? This really doesn't look like a mistake this time.

I'm not linking as I don't really want to give Tommy Robinson more traffic, but here's a screenshot.

I haven’t read Milli Hill’s latest piece yet, but from your post, it seems you are starting from the premise that TR is racist and far-right. Most of his supporters would not recognize that characterization. Similarly, KJK should not be judged guilty by association. To engage fairly, it’s important to understand their actual positions first. Conclusions should be based on clear evidence, not on second-hand smears, misunderstandings, or a single photo.

you are disputing that SYL is right wing and racist??
KJK never said she was a feminist. did she, and I don't think anyone ever thought she was a socialist

Sorry, but Tommy Robinson is absolutely far right. Have you been living under a rock?

To claim otherwise is nonsense.

No, of course not. Kelly-Jay had long said she's not a feminist. And I totally agree, she certainly never gave anyone the impression she's a socialist!

But there's been a lot of to-ing and fro-ing on here about whether she has ties to the far right, or was being smeared / just in the wrong place at the wrong time etc

But, this seems pretty conclusive now, doesn't it?

Why is it that far right people pass on the lurgy of far rightedness but it never works the other way round?

Many people on the march were not far right at all, why cant their non far rightedness rub off and pass itself along?

I know a black lesbian who went, is she now far right?

I loved this article Milli summed up a lot I also feel. I think of myself as liberal but I find myself agreeing with conservatives on this subject alone, albeit I imagine for different reasons. It’s a tough pill to swallow. I was so disappointed to see the photo of KJK with TR, who is misogynistic scum.

Well yes if she went because she agrees immigrants are the reason the country is fucked. Why else would she go?

If you are going to be smeared anyway what's the point? You may as well just talk to anyone and everyone.

Has it occurred to you that wasn't the only reason that people went?

Nah, it doesn't work like that.

As a GC feminist I've been smeared by former colleagues and friends who are convinced I've been influenced by the far right

Does that make me want to go hang out with vile racists like Tommy Robinson? No, not one bit.

Yes that is such a straw man fallacy: the thousands of people there were not arguing against immigration. They have a problem with illegal immigration and two-tier policing, injustice, assaults to free speech etc. Also a problem with having their views mischaracterised and smeared.

Theres a big difference between going out of curiosity/being nearby and having a look, and going because you agree with the cause & actively want to be a part of the group.

I personally wouldn’t go to and join in a march for something I didn’t actually believe in.

Tell us why your friend went then?

Whose right to free speech is being impeded?

But, this seems pretty conclusive now, doesn't it?

Conclusive of what?

She obviously has a shared interest in the two tier justice issue. Is she not allowed to speak with him about it?

Which of her views do you have an issue with?

Maybe the one who has been stalked and threatened for 7 years by an activist who seems to be being aided by the cops for saying men arent women?

I don’t know what you’re on about.

Ok, brill.

Don’t feel like enlightening? Sharing, discussing, no?

Conclusive that Kelly-Jay is actively choosing to hang out with the far right. It's not just an accident, or that she can't help who turns up to her events.

She must have made a conscious decision to be there with TR and pals, wrapped in a Union Jack.

You might be comfortable with this, but I know a lot of women, like Milli Hill, won't be.

There are racist thugs on our streets, stirring up dangerous trouble. If you're a decent human being and a supporter of women's rights, there's no good time to be cavorting with known misogynistic, racist criminals, but especially not now, given all that's going on, surely.

Stephen Yaxley Lennon is very much far right, of course his supporters wouldn't consider themselves to be that, it doesn't mean they aren't.
Kjk is way too hard line for me, she's even gone as far as to say that trans people shouldn't be employed because they are by nature untrustworthy.
I don't believe humans change sex, of course we don't, but to take that and suggest someone who's fallen under the GI spell is untrustworthy in all aspects of their lives is ridiculous and extreme.

Well I think lots of us would think free speech is being impeded - ask Glinner?

Edited to add…. that wouldn’t have prompted me to go on the March, but I guess everyone has their own reasons?

Does it really matter who KJK supports? I’m not trying to be goady or argumentative, I just think we’re sort of beyond that now. At one time KJK was one of very few people being outspoken and getting into the media, now there’s such an array of voices I don’t think we’re at the point where we have to worry that people won’t get on board being GC because JKJ is linked with the right. Or am I being naive?

"Speaking with" someone isn't the same as attending that someone's BNP style protest march.

How is there a two tiered justice issue (in the way you mean)?

White men and brown men both get away with rape and violence against women far too often and when they do get sentenced the sentences are often far too lenient.

Protesters at the Unite the Kingdom rally could openly say "end Islam" or call for the a "fight back" and no consequences. To be clear, I definitely don't think Unite the Kingdom should be criminalised or proscribed. And I support their right to say things I disagree with. But I have seen people on Unite the Kingdom threads boasting about the fact their protests saw so few arrests whilst the pro-Palestine protests saw 900 people arrested. (Those 900 protestors were arrested for holding signs of a proscribed group not violent disorder). You can argue about whether that should be happening, but the fact it is surely is a clue that the.Unite the Kingdom protestors are not in fact the victims of 2 tier policing but if anything the beneficiaries.

The place where there is a clear imbalance is in the extent to which pro-trans activists are allowed to get away with severe harassment of the gender critical events Kelly-Jay was hosting. That was/is shocking. It was almost like the police were afraid to rock the boat. Tommy Robinson and palls also thrive on intimidation and use the same tactics, just against different groups. Regardless of politics a group of angry men screaming outside a room where women are having a meeting about their rights is grim. Likewise a group of angry men screaming outside a house where refugee children are living is also grim. I judged people who supported the former. I judge people who support the latter.