"Right or Left, I want No Part in Extremism" - Milli Hill

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A thoughtful article by Milli Hill today.

https://millihill.substack.com/p/right-or-left-i-want-no-part-of-extremism

I can't help but find myself agreeing with her.

I know there's been a lot of debate on here about Kelly-Jay and whether she supports the far right.

Milli's article links to a Twitter post by Tommy Robinson showing an event and his inner circle. Kelly-Jay is there, dressed in a Union Jack.

This is pretty conclusive now, isn't it? You don't go and hang out with racists like Tommy Robinson and pals in times like these if you don't support them, surely?!

Milli's stood up for Kelly-Jay before, but this is a step too far for her, and for me too.

Just wondering what others think? This really doesn't look like a mistake this time.

People are not sheep. We do not always have to herd with people that are exactly the same as us. In fact, it's best if we don't. Too much of society now is fractured across made-up lines, be they political, left/right, religion......whatever.
Let's put those lines that we've drawn aside - it's ok to talk to people no matter what their views are, to agree with them in part if not completely. It's good to debate and to talk things through openly. It's good to disagree because it can open your mind and push your thinking to become more critical.
It's ok for KJK to go to the rally, as thousands upon thousands did, it does not mean that she is fully aligned with TR/SYL, most weren't. She thinks for herself, as we all should, and we should go along with things because they are right not just because a certain herd says so.

I love the assumption that her skin colour and sexuality absolutely rule out the possibility of her holding particular political views. I think it says rather more about you than you realised.

Exactly, they were marching against everything the far left have been championing and bullying their way into becoming laws and corporate policy. People have been pushed too far. The trouble is, what would have been seen as fairly centre police 20 years ago is now seen as far right as the left have dragged to centre inti increasingly sinister territory

We have had 14 years of a conservative government. We now have a labour government that is at best centre, but arguably a bit to the right of centre economically. How did the "far left" achieve all of this oppression exactly? Of course there are very unreasonable left wing people just as there are very unreasonable right wing people. But they have not been in power. This feels a lot like the (mad) narrative pushed in America, and a lot like an Elon Musk fever dream than anything with any real basis in reality.

I’m quite disappointed by this Substack. I would have thought any woman who has been through the gender wars would have learnt not to label people without doing some research into what they’ve actually said and avoid labelling people by association.

Thanks for posting that. I agree with every word she says and find it horrifying that Musk was effectively doing what Trump did before the insurrection.
Im GC but when Trump legislated for stronger women's protections in sport etc of course that was great but he went too far (what a surprise) and said they couldn't serve in the military. Why not? No Tim's shouldn't serve as a female but what's stopping them serving at all?
Extremes of anything don't make sense.

I think anyone who personally supports Tommy Robinson is gullible and stupid as it's so clearly a grift.

Whether or not KJK is in his inner circle or whether the photos were taken out of context, I don't know.

Could I suggest that unless anyone has suffered an ounce of the horrific abuse from trans activists aided and abetted by the police in this country, they refrain from making judgement on the company she keeps.

Maybe look at the thread on her to see the levels of abuse she’s suffered. I’m sure she has plenty to discuss with TR about treatment at the hands of the police.

There are so many people desperate to cancel Kellie-Jay and are apparently happy to do it in the strength of one photograph. She has been smeared as ‘far right’ for absolutely no reason so many times I’m sure she’s run out of f*s to give. That is certainly the least of the online abuse she’s had to suffer.

Are you also reading smear articles about and cancelling the people actually tagged in his post?

Even leaving aside his politics, he is so clearly a con artist.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25862838

I take it you have absolutely no idea who is being discussed, maybe you could go read the fifty billion threads on the topic rather than get someone else to explain it to you.

The implication is that everyone on the march was a white racist male. So it was a clear example of someone who went that was not a white racist male. That's what it was saying.

I think in this context Milli Hill is distancing herself because she previously stood up for KJK.

I suspect she wouldn't have felt the need to make the point if this wasn't the case.

I suggest you read the thread on KJK which details the abuse she has suffered and the police involvement.

That's how I felt about it, too. It's strange how people can understand the tactics arrayed against them when they are the target, but when someone else is the target, they lose all that wisdom. When Milli Hill was called far right and a fascist, she knew it was a lie designed to silence her. But she seemingly doesn't understand that the same tactic might be used against others, too.

I actually watched a couple of interviews with Tommy Robinson and while I wouldn't say I agree with all his views, it's clear he's not a member of the far right. Neither are the majority of the hundreds of thousands (million?) people who attended the march on Saturday. The far right, as in neo nazis, may well be hanging around on the fringes, but they are not the substantial part of this movement. I mean, there are a lot of women, mums, black people, Asians involved and attending. And it was an exceptionally peaceful protest.

I don't know who said it but this quote has stayed with me the past few days: "They don't kill you because you're a Nazi. They call you a Nazi so they can kill you."

I'm very wary about labelling people Nazis or fascists who don't meet the criteria. Especially in an environment where murder is considered an appropriate response to the words of people labelled in such a way.

I don't give a shit what KJK/PP does or says. Men cannot become women.

Here's a note from Paul Embery on the matter:

"Wanna know why national-populism is growing and spreading across Britain? I'll tell you:
• Long-term economic stagnation
• Too much immigration - and too quickly
• Asymmetric multiculturalism
• Ideological capture of public, cultural and corporate institutions
• Failing public services
• Crumbling infrastructure
It really isn't because millions of people have fallen for the rhetoric of Tommy Robinson and have become 'far right' overnight. If you think it is, you don't understand your own country."

I would add the failure of successive governments, institutions and media to deal with the grooming gangs, the two-tier justice system more generally, and issues of free speech.

It was terrible. The angry mob that surrounded her in New Zealand would have been genuinely traumatising for many (like PTSD trauma not just upsetting). I had loads of sympathy and still think she is very brave. The difference between what TRAs are allowed to get away with and the way GC women are treated is awful and very obvious. I am not a conspiracy theorists but it does look as if there are people in the police with a very clear agenda. See also Glinners trial. So there, yes two tier policing, but I actually think that's a simplification of what was going on.

I can understand how someone who had been through all that would probably be really sick of the police. But people like Tommy Robinson are not victims of persecution or two tier policing. I don't think that's just my own bias talking. If you look at the reasons he was arrested they were completely justified. If anything they seem to be given more leeway than other groups because the police are afraid of provoking angry shouty men and their lawyers. Actually I don't think they are that different to Trans activists they just support different causes (though some of the TRAs are vehemently anti Muslim too).

Well said. There have been so many attempts to smear and silence KJK despite her amazing work (among many others) in shifting the Overton window which I believe has contributed to us being allowed to call a man a man on here today (even though she was banned for life).

That people want to cancel her based, not on her stated views, but on the strength of a photograph, says more about them than her.

If you think TR isn't far right, you need to go do some more research.

FFS.

Milli Hill objected to being called far-right etc because she isn't. Believing men can't become women isn't innately right wing or even out of the mainstream. So to describe her as such is objectively wrong.

However, Saturday's march was very obviously a far-right event.

If you march with Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins, at an event based around the myth of two-tier justice, chanting in support of a convicted criminal who called for the burning alive of innocent people and politicians, in order to cheer at a foreign billionaire openly calling for the violent overthrow of our democratically elected government... then you are at a far-right march.

I actually watched a couple of interviews with Tommy Robinson and while I wouldn't say I agree with all his views, it's clear he's not a member of the far right
This has got to be satire, right?

I hadn't heard of Charlie Kirk until I heard the news of his murder. So I had no preconceptions about his views. What I can say with confidence a few days later is that much of what people thought of him was based on what other people said about him, or on edited video clips, and not on what he said himself in context. Both Stephen King and Alasdair Campbell found themselves needing to apologise for lying about his views. Other people have continued to lie, and have painted him as a far right monster.

Based on his interactions with people he disagreed with, for example Kara Dansky, I see him as a compassionate and reasonable man. That doesn't mean that I agree with him on very much politically, and I think his views on guns were unreasonable, and I don't find myself closely aligned with him theologically. But he was a very different person from Tommy Robinson or Katie Hopkins, or Trump. And much more sympathetic than KJK. I can debate happily with anyone who is open to admitting that they have got something wrong; it's the closed-minded cultists and the rabble rousers that I have a problem with.

Have you listened to any of the recent interviews with TR @LimpysGotCancer? Or listened to TR’s Oxford Union address?

That makes more sense, thank you.

I read the title of this thread and agreed but then realised it was just another let's bash KJK.
Who are the left wing extremists you want to dissociate from?

I agree with this. ⬆️

My opinion of KJK hasn't changed, this is just another attempt at a Character Assassination thread. I don't have to agree with literally everything a person says all of the time in order to find common ground with them. If someone wants to call me a 'right-wing, bigoted, fascist's blah, blah, blah', go ahead, freedom of expression is a cornerstone of democracy without it there is no democracy.
I respect your right to express your opinion, respect my right not to give a flying dingo's kidney for anything you have to say. 🤣