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Graham Linehan arrested on arrival at Heathrow Part 4

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IDareSay · 07/09/2025 21:33

These threads have mostly been used to follow the case that has taken place at Westminster Magistrate's Court over the 4th and 5th September, (and will continue on the 29th October), but were created to follow the fallout of Graham's arrest at Heathrow on his return to the UK for this court case last week, and what is allegedly a conspiracy of TRAs to intimidate and harass a number of people, including Graham, with the alleged support of various police services.

He is currently on trial for alleged harassment of a trans identified male and criminal damage to the man's phone. The charges stem from a series of events in October 2024 at Battle of Ideas.

Part 1 here
Part 2 here
Part 3 here
Graham's account of the arrest here
You can support his Substack here
Or buy him a coffee here

Free Speech Union are running a fundraiser to support a claim against the Met in reference to the Heathrow arrest. Just search FSU and Graham Linehan fundraiser and it should be easy to find. At the time of posting it has reached 64% of its stretch target.
The FSU have managed to get the bail condition that @Glinner must not post on X removed, so he is now freely posting on there again.

Most of the mainstream media have reported on the case, but none have covered it as well as Nick Wallis. Follow him on X for live posting from the court again on 29th October.
You can support Nick here (posted Friday 5th September):
"I am deeply grateful to everyone who has seen fit to bung me the cost of a coffee, a pint or even a bloody London pint since I found out I was able to come back today. If you think you can afford to make a small donation, there’s more info here:"
https://store29806256.company.site

Graham Linehan arrested on arrival at Heathrow | Mumsnet

Arrested again! Details on his Substack. This is beyond a joke; 5 armed officers! [[https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/i-just-got-arrested-again ht...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5403191-graham-linehan-arrested-on-arrival-at-heathrow?page=1

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SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 11/09/2025 17:57

What is hate crime? | Metropolitan Police

A hate crime is defined as 'Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.'

I've always wondered about the 'or any other person' part

If, as a third party, (or any other person) I am offended by a tweet, is this is a crime against me?

If 50 people are offended by the same tweet across multiple police forces does
this get reported as more than one crime?

If I am a professional offendee then do I get to report each new tweet as a new crime? Each new person who tweets as a separate crime?

From the same source, covering hate incidents

A hate incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someone’s prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender.

Evidence of the hate element is not a requirement. You do not need to personally perceive the incident to be hate related. It would be enough if another person, a witness or even a police officer thought that the incident was hate related.

If you are intent on harassing someone who does not agree with your gender identity religion, the Met's definitions appear to show that they will offer their full support.

Talkinpeace · 11/09/2025 17:59

Do the police keep records of who is reporting hate crime
to prevent them from exacerbating hate and harassment ?

ShrankLastWinter · 11/09/2025 18:11

Newspaper reports say ‘the alleged rape took place on…’ even when the victim was left naked and bleeding in the woods, and the disputed point is not whether a rape took place, but whether a particular man was the perpetrator. Always ‘alleged’.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 11/09/2025 18:55

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 11/09/2025 17:57

What is hate crime? | Metropolitan Police

A hate crime is defined as 'Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.'

I've always wondered about the 'or any other person' part

If, as a third party, (or any other person) I am offended by a tweet, is this is a crime against me?

If 50 people are offended by the same tweet across multiple police forces does
this get reported as more than one crime?

If I am a professional offendee then do I get to report each new tweet as a new crime? Each new person who tweets as a separate crime?

From the same source, covering hate incidents

A hate incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someone’s prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender.

Evidence of the hate element is not a requirement. You do not need to personally perceive the incident to be hate related. It would be enough if another person, a witness or even a police officer thought that the incident was hate related.

If you are intent on harassing someone who does not agree with your gender identity religion, the Met's definitions appear to show that they will offer their full support.

Tweets would be a great way to get the numbers up because you and your activist mates could report each one in a thread separately and the police could get to count each one as a separate hate crime.

Datun · 11/09/2025 20:07

lcakethereforeIam · 11/09/2025 16:31

It's not impossible that the majority of reported hate crimes against transpeople are the result of one embittered former copper with a phone, a dream and a go get 'em attitude.

And a 'senior officer' who's falling over themself to comply.

Edited to add, that seriously, we need the names of all those people accountable. There has to be a pattern.

lcakethereforeIam · 11/09/2025 20:20

I almost added something about a 'manly handful of blue serge' but I thought I'd keep it clean and short.

Datun · 11/09/2025 20:32

lcakethereforeIam · 11/09/2025 20:20

I almost added something about a 'manly handful of blue serge' but I thought I'd keep it clean and short.

Haha!!

RedToothBrush · 11/09/2025 22:45

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/11/jenni-murray-police-did-nothing-trans-activist-death-threat/
Jenni Murray: BBC banned me from discussing trans row
Former BBC Radio 4 Woman’s Hour host was left fearing for her safety by anti-terf groups

Archive: t.co/XqKZmLgTwr

Seen in Journalism via twitter
This is true: one of our members was at a training session on impartiality where it was admitted.

‘The BBC silenced her?’

‘Yes we did’

‘Jenni Murray: BBC banned me from discussing trans row’

Prof Sarah Pederson via twitter
When I was interviewed on Woman’s Hour about my book on Mumsnet I was told that another presenter had to interview me because Jenni wasn’t allowed to discuss these issues.

From the article.
The former host of BBC Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour said she had been sent “endless promises” that she would be “raped or murdered”, leaving her fearing for her safety.

She also claimed that anti-terf (trans-exclusionary radical feminist) protesters displayed posters at several demonstrations reading, “The Only Good Terf is a … one” alongside pictures of a gallows, but police again took no action.

AND

“The defence and protection of women and girls was at the centre of work I had done for most of my life. But my friends were right about the backlash.

“First came the transgender newsreader India Willoughby demanding that I should be sacked by the BBC.

“I wasn’t sacked, but was banned from discussing the debate on air... Then the threats... began. ‘History has its eyes on you, those who dehumanise us might want to consider where they’re standing,’ wrote one.

“Then came endless promises that I would be raped or murdered, leaving me genuinely worried for my safety.

“I had no assistance from the police – not that I asked for it, as I knew they would do nothing.”

DuesToTheDirt · 11/09/2025 23:01

Wow. Double standards in action again of course, but how thoroughly nasty for her.

murasaki · 11/09/2025 23:03

DuesToTheDirt · 11/09/2025 23:01

Wow. Double standards in action again of course, but how thoroughly nasty for her.

Not only is she a woman, but she's committed the cardinal sin of being old. So they give no shits about her.

MissKomodoDragonsBrunch · 12/09/2025 00:49

Talkinpeace · 11/09/2025 17:59

Do the police keep records of who is reporting hate crime
to prevent them from exacerbating hate and harassment ?

The police can’t keep complete records as they permit anonymous reporting!

Datun · 12/09/2025 08:24

MissKomodoDragonsBrunch · 12/09/2025 00:49

The police can’t keep complete records as they permit anonymous reporting!

Since non-crime hate incidents are supposed to show dangerous patterns of behaviour that might escalate not keeping records of people reporting them to harass intimidate women is the ultimate fucking irony.

EasternStandard · 12/09/2025 08:31

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 11/09/2025 17:57

What is hate crime? | Metropolitan Police

A hate crime is defined as 'Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.'

I've always wondered about the 'or any other person' part

If, as a third party, (or any other person) I am offended by a tweet, is this is a crime against me?

If 50 people are offended by the same tweet across multiple police forces does
this get reported as more than one crime?

If I am a professional offendee then do I get to report each new tweet as a new crime? Each new person who tweets as a separate crime?

From the same source, covering hate incidents

A hate incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someone’s prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender.

Evidence of the hate element is not a requirement. You do not need to personally perceive the incident to be hate related. It would be enough if another person, a witness or even a police officer thought that the incident was hate related.

If you are intent on harassing someone who does not agree with your gender identity religion, the Met's definitions appear to show that they will offer their full support.

Thanks for this, just to check it doesn’t include anything against women. So men can target, say JKR and no action is taken?

Datun · 12/09/2025 08:38

I don't really get the consistency.

Because being transgender is not a protected characteristic.

Who comes up with the wording for what groups are affected by a hate crime?

edited to add that I've just googled it, and it's the CPS and the college of policing.

They're allowed to just make these things up? Outwith the categories in the equality act?

SionnachRuadh · 12/09/2025 08:47

Datun · 12/09/2025 08:24

Since non-crime hate incidents are supposed to show dangerous patterns of behaviour that might escalate not keeping records of people reporting them to harass intimidate women is the ultimate fucking irony.

A police force who aren't completely stupid might spot someone gaming the system to harass and intimidate. But then you'd need a police force who aren't stupid.

ThatCyanCat · 12/09/2025 09:10

SionnachRuadh · 12/09/2025 08:47

A police force who aren't completely stupid might spot someone gaming the system to harass and intimidate. But then you'd need a police force who aren't stupid.

Or perhaps it's not that they're stupid but, as you explained very well, it's in their interests too to take the easy wins.

It's amazing how, one way or another, the system always seems to work best for vindictive men.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2025 09:19

Yeah, I don’t think the police are stupid

busy, lazy, human, dealing with some bloody difficult issues and people, yes

RedToothBrush · 12/09/2025 09:21

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2025 09:19

Yeah, I don’t think the police are stupid

busy, lazy, human, dealing with some bloody difficult issues and people, yes

The route of least resistance always is dealing with compliant women rather than angry and abusive men.

Unless someone actively challenges this, the police will do the cheap, lazy thing because well time and budget constraints.

EasternStandard · 12/09/2025 09:25

Datun · 12/09/2025 08:38

I don't really get the consistency.

Because being transgender is not a protected characteristic.

Who comes up with the wording for what groups are affected by a hate crime?

edited to add that I've just googled it, and it's the CPS and the college of policing.

They're allowed to just make these things up? Outwith the categories in the equality act?

Edited

This is the inherent problem with that wording. It means women can get hounded with violent abuse but it means any perceived slight on gender can be an issue.

EasternStandard · 12/09/2025 09:32

That’s why I question the police part as sole input. I understand Stonewall and bias which I disagree with but the actual wording is underpinning the vast discrepancy in outcome.

SabrinaThwaite · 12/09/2025 10:31

Back to Glinner …

Someone is furious that Genevieve Gluck doesn’t give a … (insert your own rhyme here).

Also sounds like Hayden is suing Glinner over reposting the Reduxx article on Hayden.

Graham Linehan arrested on arrival at Heathrow Part 4
TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 12/09/2025 10:35

Hayden has a family?

(I don’t believe he does, I think he’s just copying what actual victims of harassment say.)

SabrinaThwaite · 12/09/2025 10:55

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 12/09/2025 10:35

Hayden has a family?

(I don’t believe he does, I think he’s just copying what actual victims of harassment say.)

Elderly mother I think - pretty sure that someone else has been accused of harassing her and is currently being punished through the police / courts for this allegation.

GG’s response to Tone is rather glorious.

Graham Linehan arrested on arrival at Heathrow Part 4
Datun · 12/09/2025 11:00

Does it matter for what reason they want the certificate of conviction?

murasaki · 12/09/2025 11:03

He was convicted, surely it's a matter of public record anyway?

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