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Graham Linehan arrested on arrival at Heathrow Part 2

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IDareSay · 03/09/2025 14:04

First thread here

Started thread 2 as this seems destined to run for some time...

I just got arrested again

I arrived back in London to discover the UK is still a police state run by trans activists

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/i-just-got-arrested-again

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2025 20:33

Oh and another 'hateful' comment.

Come on Police Scotland. Arrest Joanne. You are being upstaged by the Met. Get with it.

Graham Linehan arrested on arrival at Heathrow Part 2
Pudmyboy · 03/09/2025 20:35

Charabanc · 03/09/2025 14:37

Yes, that's what's drawing out people who may be on the same side as Glinner, but can't actually stand him. Like JKR. That's what this idiot TRA has accomplished 😆

I didn't know JKR didn't like Glinner!
Any particular reason why? I assume it's perhaps his style of activism, not that she doesn't find his comedy funny!

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2025 20:36

As an aside it looks like Natalie Bird is standing for LD president.

Interesting.

whenimnotcleaningwindows · 03/09/2025 20:37

How does a sign saying you support a terrorist organisation against genocide compare to personalised death threats these days anyway?
One is clearly far more outrageous and dangerous than the other.

Datun · 03/09/2025 20:41

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2025 20:02

It says that for the purposes of the equality act that transwomen are males. This has many implications and knock on points.

Given the tweet was about males in single sex facilities, this is kinda relevant.

Why are people being arrested for a 'hate' when the tweet is about women being sexually assaulted by males and protecting themselves (with the qualification of only when other legal challenges have failed)?!

You might be able to say it's encouraging violence, but then you have to arrest every single male who suggests violence against women for any reason at all.

Males should not be in the single sex female facilities. We have plenty of males threatening to do this and actually doing this and posting pictures on social media which constitutes sexual harassment. It's not a theoretical issue of 'hate' it's a real life issue of male harassment of women. So why on earth are the Met prattling on about this being a hate crime and having no choice but to intervene? It's bollocks. They just haven't actually considered the SC ruling in this context.

The hate element becomes null and void the second a male steps foot in a female single sex space - the trans bit isnt a protection because in legal terms they effectively change from being 'legal female' (if they have that status) to being male! This is a massive point of Lineham's tweet!!! We treat all males equality in line with the equality act and we treat females equally too - and they have equal rights to safety, privacy and dignity.

It might be encouraging assault but there's no aggravated factor of 'hate' for doing so if it's just female on male (or vice versa). So how can it be aggravated for hate?!

Why is there a 'watch list' for stating that males who harass women in toilets are potentially dangerous because they are literally breaking the law and are sexually harassing just by bloody well being there?!

Are they going to start rounding up all the incels who post shite about women when they arrive at Heathrow? No, if not why not?

Is Glinner an extremist? Let's have this conversation out.

Is he harassing males who are threatening to sexually harass women or is he highlighting theres a problem with males sexually harassing women and trying to hold to account?

You rapidly get into a debate about public interest (and within that, you often get a broader scope to say things if you can demonstrate relevance to your political argument).

Glinners political argument has always been that men retain male pattern behaviour and that we should recognise male pattern behaviour and treat all males equally regardless of how they identify.

Good luck with this in court is all I can say to that.

If there are other harassment charges, then again prove it's harassment rather than holding people who are posting publicly online trying to influence others, if they are also posting other shit which might reveal nefarious motivations. (See above point about public interest).

This is going to rapidly descend into an utter mess and frankly anyone with half a brain can see the train crash incoming on this.

Given the SC ruling I wonder if it can be clarified that TIMS using women's facilities just because they want to could constitute sexual harassment.

I know it's not illegal for men to use women's loos (say if they have a daughter who needs help), but spelling out the legitimate reasons only would be a good idea.

IwantToRetire · 03/09/2025 21:18

Harry Miller, a former police officer who set up the organisation Fair Cop, to remove politics from policing said: “It appears from Sir Mark Rowley’s statement that even he – the most senior officer in the country – does not understand the law.

“Trans-identifying men do not possess a protected characteristic and have no right to be protected from offence by an armed wing of the state.” ...

The complaint was in all likelihood passed to a junior officer, either a police constable or detective constable who will have had to decide if the matter should be investigated further.

They will have used their understanding of the law and any guidance around it, while also assessing what evidence was available.

They will have assessed whether the suspect could be identified and decided how to approach the matter.

It would be clear to anyone reading the Tweets who the author was, as Mr Linehan had openly claimed responsibility.

Had he lived in the UK it is possible the officer in the case might have contacted him at home either by telephone or email, or via a home visit, to ask him to discuss the matter further.

However because Mr Linehan moved to Arizona in the US last year, this may have proved more difficult.

It is not clear whether any attempts were made to contact him remotely or whether the officer was unable to locate a contact address.

At some stage therefore it is thought his name was added to the Police National Database (PND) and marked as “wanted/missing”.
Had Mr Linehan not returned to the UK, the matter might not have gone any further, but on Monday he flew back ahead of <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/OMva2/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/12/father-ted-graham-linehan-pleads-not-guilty-to-harassment/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">an appearance at Westminster magistrates’ court.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/03/linehan-arrest-suggests-met-police-chiefs-dont-know-l/ and also at https://archive.is/OMva2

SabrinaThwaite · 03/09/2025 21:23

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2025 15:47

The moderate Labour Government, the feminist socialist philanthropist JKR, a bunch of women on the internet website MN, the right wing Tories, the hard right Farage, the UK communist party and the left wing Owen Jones and the head of the Met ALL agree that there is a problem with the arrest of Glinner by five armed coppers at Heathrow...

... Is this time for a 'are we the bad guys' moment and some self reflection on the "you are aligned with Nazis" type accusations?

Oh my.

They have self identified as the most marginalised members of society.

They are incapable of self reflection.

IwantToRetire · 03/09/2025 21:25

For those who dont know, apparently it is quite common, whether because of "canteen culture" in police stations or an actual guideline, that quite junior police officers can instigate an arrest.

And form that point on working practice is that they are the only ones who can say whether an arrest warrent should be withdrawn. Something about managers not undermining staff!

So whoever reported this may have had a lucky day, that trainee police officer PC Them put it into the system with out realising the full imlications.

They may have left, or as a case that there were many threads about a few years back, where the police officer who have decided someone needed to attend a police interview went on an extend holiday to Australia for 3 months of more, and nothing could be done until they came back to work and decided in they wanted to continue the process or not.

IDareSay · 03/09/2025 21:38

Since 4pm there have been SIX articles referencing the arrest of Graham in the Telegraph.
some have over 1000 comments.
This is a huge story.

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BlakeCarrington · 03/09/2025 21:39

In case you’re reading, I think you are awesome @glinner, love Father Ted, love IT crowd, love your principled stance on protecting women and children and love your bravery for standing up for what is right.

im very sorry for the ongoing stress this has caused and thank you for the personal sacrifices you’ve made. I think I’m starting to fancy you a bit.

Thingybob · 03/09/2025 21:44

Charabanc · 03/09/2025 19:40

Also there has been a movement for TRAs to protect the poor fragrant woman man accusing Glinner tomorrow, by shielding him when he enters court in the morning, and when he leaves in the afternoon. Well, Lynsay Watson has seen to that effort, now that every national media outlet will be there.

Sad times.

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According to the TRAs, Tarquin is not a man or a woman, he is just a child

napody · 03/09/2025 21:49

IwantToRetire · 03/09/2025 19:57

C4 news has now condescended to talk of Glinner's arrest.

But them have framed it that his case is the same as Lucy Connolly's

Every media outlet needs to quote his damn tweet - the Guardian know full well that advising women to punch a man who's harassing them in the balls is what pretty much every father does as part of bringing up girls! It's not 'threatening', it's keeping self defence in mind for if needed.

And I knew they'd equate it with Lucy bloody connelly. 'Burn down the hotels with them inside' is not quite the same...

EasternStandard · 03/09/2025 22:00

IwantToRetire · 03/09/2025 19:57

C4 news has now condescended to talk of Glinner's arrest.

But them have framed it that his case is the same as Lucy Connolly's

I’m wondering how C4 survive. It all seems so trashy. (Bar MiC which is ok trash)

Slothtoes · 03/09/2025 22:08

Story about to be covered on ITV 10pm news

napody · 03/09/2025 22:24

Slothtoes · 03/09/2025 22:08

Story about to be covered on ITV 10pm news

"Over tweets including one about punching a trans woman in toilets"

OMFG

That makes it sound like he punched someone and then tweeted about it! How can they get away with twisting things like this.

Then straight on to Farage defending him. He's going to want to distance himself from that shit asap.

EsmaCannonball · 03/09/2025 22:28

IwantToRetire · 03/09/2025 18:17

Has this been posted?

Zack Polanski: Linehan arrest was ‘proportionate’
See https://archive.is/kCO6X from https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/zack-polanski-linehan-arrest-was-proportionate/

Hypnotits? (Yes, that's right, Autocorrect, Hypnotits.)

EsmaCannonball · 03/09/2025 22:31

On another news show they were described as 'anti trans rights tweets.' That was just bad, lazy journalism.

Slothtoes · 03/09/2025 22:39

Agree there is a lot of bad journalism around this area. That said, the main takeaway is not going to be lost on the majority of the public: the police and government and politicians of all parties are all saying that this is not what we want our police resources spent on.
That draws public attention to the vexatious complainants who are forcing the police to waste time over objectively nonthreatening tweets

EmeraldRoulette · 03/09/2025 22:50

I was worried about his health a few months ago

Now I'm really worried

Has he actually moved to Arizona? Or is it just temporary for work?

RawBloomers · 03/09/2025 22:52

BunfightBetty · 03/09/2025 19:22

Thank-you, that’s helpful.

I wasn’t expecting ministers to have a direct say in how individual cases are handled. But I am surprised that a force (in this case the Met) can decide it can just ignore and not investigate whole categories of offence, as the Met has done with eg burglaries. Who signs off on such an approach? I don’t see how a force can get away with that and no oversight being exercised. It’s the law of the land, they police it, they don’t determine it (well they de facto do, but they’re not meant to).

What MrsTerryPratchett describes with her mum is not a force deciding not to investigate a whole category of crime. It’s a force (or possibly a section of a force) deciding that expending money on forensics in those circumstances isn’t operationally effective (i.e. they just don’t get anything to work on often enough to make it worth the expenditure). Which may be sensible, in reality forensics like fingerprints aren’t often much use in prosecutions, it’s not like TV. I was on the beat for 3 years in the 90s and we didn’t get a single usable print from sending SOCO out to domestic burglaries while I was there. How many other resources they put into solving burglaries isn’t obvious from the refusal to send SOCO. It may be they have given up, or it may be they are doing a reasonable job with limited resources. You can’t tell from them refusing to send SOCO as a matter of routine.

But if a force did decide not to investigate any burglaries, the Home Secretary couldn’t simply require them too.

(None of which is an endorsement of the Met’s actions in this case)

CarobBean72 · 03/09/2025 22:56

Charabanc · 03/09/2025 14:28

Yes, it took me a bit of rummaging yesterday morning to find it!

Glinner posted his account of his arrest and the mad Lynsay bloke was posting on Bluesky going "He's broken the terms of his bail!!!". But poor Lynsay doesn't seem to realise that Glinner was only banned from X, not all online media. What fecking eejits these TRAs are.

https://bsky.app/profile/seenpoliceuk.bsky.social/post/3lxtretwzn22j

Just catching up so late reply but that bloke seems to be going on at length about decapitating Charles I…

Boston365 · 03/09/2025 23:01

I see he has a crowd funder going with the free speech union to take legal action against the Met, 1/3 of the 150k target has already been raised within a few hours

genandtonic · 03/09/2025 23:01

Not read the whole thread so apologies if this link has already been mentioned. It might be nice for some people who think glinner is being rude ( and journalists) to see.
https://terfisaslur.com/ it’s a collection of posts re terfs. It’s quite offensive so viewer discretion is recommended. JKR gets a whole section of slurs to herself.

Graham Linehan arrested on arrival at Heathrow Part 2
RedToothBrush · 03/09/2025 23:07

Mr Chief Of Met Police calling for new laws is probably thinking along the following lines:

Anti-Slapps legislation (strategic lawsuit against public participation)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation

Strategic lawsuits against public participation (also known as SLAPP suits or intimidation lawsuits), or strategic litigation against public participation, are lawsuits intended to censor, intimidate, and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition.

In a typical SLAPP, the plaintiff does not normally expect to win the lawsuit. The plaintiff's goals are accomplished if the defendant succumbs to fear, intimidation, mounting legal costs, or simple exhaustion and abandons the criticism. In some cases, particularly in the context of investigative journalism, repeated frivolous litigation against a defendant may raise the cost of directors and officers and other liability insurance for that party, interfering with an organization's ability to operate. A SLAPP may also intimidate others from participating in the debate. A SLAPP is often preceded by a legal threat. SLAPPs bring about freedom of speech concerns due to their chilling effect and are often difficult to filter out and penalize because the plaintiffs attempt to obfuscate their intent to censor, intimidate, or silence their critics.

Has this sparked anyone's interest here yet?

I shall continue...

Characteristics
SLAPP is a form of strategic litigation or impact litigation that do not have true legal claims but are focused on deterring a message that they do not like.

A common feature of SLAPPs is forum shopping, wherein plaintiffs find courts that are more favourable towards the claims to be brought than the court in which the defendant (or sometimes plaintiffs) live.

Other widely mentioned elements of a SLAPP are the actual effectiveness at silencing critics, the timing of the suit, inclusion of extra or spurious defendants (such as relatives or hosts of legitimate defendants), inclusion of plaintiffs with no real claim (such as corporations that are affiliated with legitimate plaintiffs), making claims that are very difficult to disprove or rely on no written record, ambiguous or deliberately mangled wording that lets plaintiffs make spurious allegations without fear of perjury, refusal to consider any settlement (or none other than cash), characterization of all offers to settle as insincere, extensive and unnecessary demands for discovery, attempts to identify anonymous or pseudonymous critics, appeals on minor points of law, and demands for broad rulings when appeal is accepted on such minor points of law. In some instances it is clear that plaintiffs are attempting to drain defendants of their financial resources by making the lawsuit as costly as possible, and in these cases the plaintiff's motive may not be legal victory, but merely to waste the defendant's time and money.

When SLAPPs involve copyright law, they can be considered as a type of censorship by copyright.

Hmm this is sounding very familiar isn't it?

The UK currently only has anti slapps legislation for economic crime (it's only a couple of years old) but there is a growing awareness that we possibly need more.

The Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Act 2023 is the first UK law that includes anti-slapps measures and this came into force in June.

The relevant section:

Meaning of “SLAPP” claim
(1)For the purposes of section 194 a claim is a “SLAPP claim” if—

(a)the claimant’s behaviour in relation to the matters complained of in the claim has, or is intended to have, the effect of restraining the defendant’s exercise of the right to freedom of speech,

(b)any of the information that is or would be disclosed by the exercise of that right has to do with economic crime,

(c)any part of that disclosure is or would be made for a purpose related to the public interest in combating economic crime, and

(d)any of the behaviour of the claimant in relation to the matters complained of in the claim is intended to cause the defendant—

(i)harassment, alarm or distress,

(ii)expense, or

(iii)any other harm or inconvenience,

beyond that ordinarily encountered in the course of properly conducted litigation.
(2)For the purposes of determining whether a claim meets the condition in subsection (1)(a) or (c), any limitation prescribed by law on the exercise of the right to freedom of speech (for example in relation to the making of defamatory statements) is to be ignored.

(3)For the purposes of this section, information mentioned in subsection (1)(b) “has to do with economic crime” if—

(a)it relates to behaviour or circumstances which the defendant reasonably believes (or, as the case requires, believed) to be evidence of the commission of an economic crime, or

(b)the defendant has (or, as the case requires, had) reason to suspect that an economic crime may have occurred and believes (or, as the case requires, believed) that the disclosure of the information would facilitate an investigation into whether such a crime has (or had) occurred.

(4)In determining whether any behaviour of the claimant falls within subsection (1)(d), the court may, in particular, take into account—

(a)whether the behaviour is a disproportionate reaction to the matters complained of in the claim, including whether the costs incurred by the claimant are out of proportion to the remedy sought;

(b)whether the defendant has access to fewer resources with which to defend the claim than another person against whom the claimant could have brought (but did not bring) proceedings in relation to the matters complained of in the claim;

(c)any relevant failure, or anticipated failure, by the claimant to comply with a pre-action protocol, rule of court or practice direction, or to comply with or follow a rule or recommendation of a professional regulatory body.

(5)For the purposes of subsection (4)(c) a failure, or anticipated failure, is “relevant” so far as it relates to—

(a)the choice of jurisdiction,

(b)the use of dilatory strategies,

(c)the nature or amount of material sought on disclosure,

(d)the way to respond to requests for comment or clarification,

(e)the use of correspondence,

(f)making or responding to offers to settle, or

(g)the use of alternative dispute resolution procedures.

Now do we have any groups that are engaging in slapps type behaviour? Hmmm let me think about that.

Noting proximity of this law change in economic crime to the group that springs to mind first.

Certainly it seems like Glinner may well be a victim of such tactics and hmm... Sarah Phillimore mysteriously springs to mind here too.

Strategic lawsuit against public participation - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation

ErrolTheDragon · 03/09/2025 23:30

@RedToothBrush- interesting.
those who are inclined to be SLAPPers (what an unfortunate legal acronym) must be really irked by individuals with sufficient resources to be immune to their tactics.

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