NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #52

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:
drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 51: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5402652-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-51 1 September 2025 to 2 September 2025

This should be interesting!

Here’s the Courier’s article.

Excellent. Well done SP and her backer. These people tried to destroy SP for heresy. They should experience the same pain they have inflicted on her.

Oh.

Good for Sandie, it is high time individuals were personally held to account for their actions in regard to the shit show of Gender Ideology.

Poor @nauticant ! If you have very understandably had enough of thread management, I'm sure we can do some succession management...maybe with the succession being a team of 10 or so. I am not volunteering to be the new thread-manager solo, but I could play a small part if required.

Another bite at the cherry for the missing emails, this time involving a competent search done by IT?

So this one is against just these individuals, not NHS Fife. Anyone know whether NHS Fife is likely to organise or pay for their defence, or whether they'll need to do that themselves, perhaps via GLP or crowdfunding? In the (unlikely?) event that this gets to court, it will be interesting to see who they choose as an advocate...

I don't understand the basis of this fresh claim, as these appear as detriments to her existing claim. but am sure we will find out

She is keeping busy. As she has also issued proceedings against her union.

Thanks for the Bananarama explanation! The only thing I'd come up with was their version of 'It ain't what you do it's the way that you do it' with the Fun Boy Three. 😁

There was an attempt to add Kate Searle (was it?) as a respondent during the current case, but it was turned down. IANAL but I think the point is that these individuals are individually liable for their behaviour, as well as their employer being liable - just as with Upton.

that makes more sense, actually!

That's the one I was thinking of, glad I'm not alone!

That's the one it ought to be, in this context.

A mountain of emotion expressed in one word.

Masterful

*bows down

I wonder if any Board members from Fife have bothered to obtain remote access to the proceedings? The argument they make would be stronger if we hadn't seen almost the opposite dynamic played out in court. SP has showed up almost daily and presented herself as frank, calm and clear, twice now, under cross-examination, whereas Upton appeared only briefly but made quite an impact as a beligerent, arrogant and quite imposing respondent.

Oh, is it not that, but something else? I'll have to read the link!

I do believe it is the ain’t what you say its the way that you say it.

The 'Love in the First Degree' analysis is from 2018. I'm sure, like PP, that's not what Foran is referring to. It only makes sense if he's talking about 'It Ain't What You Do It's The Way That You Do It' because their line is that it was about her attitude/tone of voice not what she actually did.

open book on i) final thread number ii) year of completion?

I agree. David Allen Green-esque perfection.

🎵🎶 "It ain't what you say it's the way that a bigoted person like you just have said it, It ain't what you say it's the way that a bigoted person like you just have said it," 🎶🎵

Not surprisingly Sandy Peggie has now brought fresh victimisation proceedings against NHSFife. Although cleared of any misconduct she has remained on suspension for months. Her claim is - probably- that this action was taken because of her complaint, which is "victimisation" under the law.

That is, indeed, what gets results. You can try hard - don't mean a thing.

she's taking the whole lot of them down isn't she!