NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #51

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:
drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 50: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5387893-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-50 7 August 2025 to 1 September 2025

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1949813908652319098 And other tweets following.

When DU was in the CR, the other woman said he was only in bra and trousers.

As far as I can check, SP never said DU was in bra and trousers, she’s said she (Sandie) was wearing a bra and trousers.

Oh the prison comment.

Given Dr U changed his mind on what happened and what was said depending on who he was talking to I would have thought JR would steer clear.

Hateful damaging slur.

No idea what I wasn't listening. Probably just Sandie breathing too loudly.

I guess but I don't think he does always wear skirts, the pictures of him at court he was wearing trousers I think?

Anyone else think a man wearing a skirt and changing in this way would be a good way to "accidentally" flash someone, if a man were so inclined?

They should all start calling JR ms Rushle.

From TT

AG perspective said C wanted to have it out with DU. But however worded, C decided to do this - Underhill in Higgs describes this as inappropriate. C hasn't addressed until this morning

J Explained that. Not on list

JR It doesn't need to be. cf Walker

C inappropriately manifested her belief and so is deprived of protection. Higgs not done when this case was happening

J Is it in your submission

JR not in list of issues. Doesn't have to be.

J Case law. Would have to amend submissions.

JR Things said to DU in exchange. Calling TW a man is disrespectful , contrary to FWS and Forstater. Asking c chromosome- eg of causing gratuitous harm. In her sub, NC said it was proxy for asking c genitals. But objectionable and inappropriate. DU sure this was said.

C said didn't remember, but agreed would have been inappropriate if she had said it. Last but not least prisons comment. C not quite right c extent common ground on this. It's not just that C said it's just like that person in the prison but ref to the Isla Bryson case

I'm sure He was wearing trousers that night when he left

It was after all the middle of winter in the middle of the night in Scotland.

Yes, it was the so shy and modest attempt. Shy and modest but kicking about the CR in his totally unnecessary bra

There's nothing for JR to do but keep repeating things that have been examined, and in many cases refuted, before, in the hopes that the j&panel will remember her version of he said/she said when making their minds up. Or she said/she said as JR would have it😏

From TT

Bryson is well-known convicted rapist, so it's clear and obvious that ref to Bryson is complicit comparison. That is the unvarnished, unstretched position. There's nothing dangerous or unsafe c DU and likening her to so who have committed heinous crime is damaging slur inappropriate and objectionable manifestation of her belief.

DU distress recorded in contemporaneous phone notes and noted by Dr Pitt soon after interaction occurred. Specifically, Dr Pitt recalled prison comment [read c DP being so very sad at hearing such a hurtful thing]

Resus incident and the confusion.

Really JR? You're going there?

Yes that's the gist of it. Get yer tits out for the lads.

another (reverse) Spartacus moment?

JR Dr Pitt being so very sad at hearing such a hurtful thing

Thanks JR, you're saving us the bother of having to produce our own parody of the simpering tone!😄

Because Sandie was there because of a heavy menstrual flood which needed her to change urgently. Why on earth would she stand outside in the corridor in these circumstances? JR seemingly has no sympathy with an actual woman dealing with the messy reality of living in a menopausal female body. 😡

Which is bollocks, as given Scotland's tendency to throw any man who wants to go there into women's prisons, it could have been any of the multitude. Maybe there are some in for shoplifting, or fraud. Can JR prove it wasn't referring to them?

And if all the TIMs in women's prisons are in fact in for sexual and or violent crimes, well that says a lot in itself.

I'd love JR to slip up and refer to Dr Upton as Dr Update, just once 😂

Phone updates being defended. Oh god please. 😂

From TT

Submission point raised front and centre - quotes pleadings must set out legal propositions on which a party relies. Two patient care incidents. Resuss incident - NC said appeared and reappeared - that is cos DU only asked to give details c Xmas Eve incident and gave other details then.

SP recalls sweets incident. DU doesn't recall that one, but recalls the one where SP told DU that DU could finish the obs. These are consistent with what DU told people. Incident when DU said hi and waved at C but C didn't acknowledge

C says doesn't remember. Said it was a misfiring interaction - but more than that. Rihanna said couldn't recall conversation. I accept first sentences contradict each other, but if Rihanna can't recall evidence is unlikely to help but doesn't mean DU evidence contradicted.

Apologies for delays in TT reports but I’m also trying to read the thread. You are all very amusing and amazing women. 😍

This is very boring.

NC is a hard act to follow, but jeez, this is tedious.

Which is creepier?

DU fully clothed and watching while SP deals with a menstrual flood

DU undressing and watching whilst SP deals with a menstrual flood

From TT

DU phone notes were the earlier on this, and DH wrote in her account to the BMA in Dec and in her formal complaint and told investigator as well. This are egs of the disregard in which C held DU

Is JR really trying to spin DU's amended notes as the best and most contemporaneous notes we have available??

On to Kate Searle email.
JR trying to defend it!!