All the eyerolls 🙄 they/them 'not Daddy!'

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What nurses have to put up with. His poor wife (although that word's not used*), his poor kids

I'm a non-binary parent but have had to accept being called 'Daddy' | Metro News https://share.google/CdGfmxVnizOeyxBbe

Admittedly, when we arrived at the delivery suite on Tuesday night I did tell the lead midwife that my pronouns are they/them

Of course he did.

The whole article is worth a read, simultaneously hilarious, jawdropping and troubling. I thought he could put it on stage at the next Fringe, it'd bring the house down. It's hard to believe it wasn't ghost written by Glinner as a pisstake.

*hopefully they're not married °so leaving this self obsessed bloke will be easier.

°how would that go anyway? 'I now pronoun you wife and....erm!'

We should feel sorry for white middle class, heterosexual men. They have to invent their oppression while other groups get it handed to them on a plate.

In the 80s, at my school we had loads of hippies, goths, punks, new romantics and everything in between. One 6th-former used to wear pink dungarees, along with his rats-tail hairdo and kicker boots. He was as straight as they come, shagged his way around most of the girls and was v popular, you see no one gave a shiny shite, and the thought of someone being "marginalised" for this "queerness" would have been ridiculous.

It's sad that as time goes on, there are more and more people like Tom who think they are original and special because they have no memory of actual gender non-conformity and actually being yourself, with your own style. Everything about being "NB" seems to involve following a set of prescribed styles and behaviours drawing from the most sexist, simplistic concepts of sex and gender, not because it's who you really are, but because you're desperate to be oppressed and get attention. It's just the new "I'm mad me!"

Exactly this. It was the same when I was at school in the 70s punks, glam rockers, mods etc etc and lots of us girls even had short hair! Shocker!

I've just come back from a festival which whilst quite woke, had a refreshing number of men just dressed how they wanted, sometimes wearing skirts ( of the long hippie not micro mini variety), flowers in their hair, whatever. Yep, hippies basically. It was quite nice to see. I'm sure they didn't identify as anything other than big ole hippie.

Baba can be daddy in Malay as well. Never heard it used for a woman, they have their own words. I suspect there isn't a language that has a gender neutral word for a parent (or, indeed, any important relative), this is just more of the TRA "noble savage" rubbish.

It would be interesting to know if there are any languages where auntie/uncle, niece/nephew, granny/grandad etc are ungendeded. Cousin is the closest I can think of in English. In Chinese and Malay you have specific words for older sister, younger brother etc and these are used for anyone, not just your blood relatives. It's actually quite hard to think of any gender neutral terms of affection. Mate, maybe? But that's quite masculine. Or love but I feel like that wouldn't be said by a man to another man so implies something about the sex of the participants to the exchange.

Omg I'm loving that even over in Reddit land this special person is being roasted 😂

I've always thought baba means wise elder of either sex. Baba Vanga, the eastern European psychic for example

😀 I wish MN had kept the laugh emoji .

The poor sausage the trauma of being called Dad.

I followed a woman on Facebook who calls her husband "spouse" and same for her eyes fell out of my head and unfollowed!

I suppose we have words like sibling and spouse which are ungendered - can't think of anything for aunt/uncle or niece/nephew though.

I use "my love" and "my darling" a lot (not generally for random strangers). Terms of endearment can be quite regional though.

One small saving grace is that two of them will one day grow up.

Fml those poor children
What to label him (if dad/daddy is unsuitable or not special enough) really is the least of their worries

I mean to be fair to him, the one way this could be even worse is if he was actually insisting on not being called Daddy, and had complained to all the staff and was busy indoctrinating his babies. I hope they do get to have a loving Daddy and get to call him that. There's every sign he's a self-obsessed navel-gazer, but Freddie is worse in insisting on being "dad".

What a crashing bore I couldn't finish reading it and of course the pink hair.
I know he's a man because he can't shut up about himself.

And a decade earlier I was a teenager in the swinging sixties when many boys started to grow their hair but many girls still had it short. I married at the end of that decade and my hair is still shorter than my husband's. 😁

I'm learning Italian and have discovered the wonderful portmanteau word nipote which means niece, nephew, grandson, granddaughter and grandchild. 😀Context and the gender of the article defines the exact meaning.

ETA Baba Yaga is a old woman or grandmother in Slavonic folklore. I gather Yaga means something like unpredictable or scary.

TRAs: “it’s not all about clothes, make-up and jewellery, gender is an innate feeling”

This clown: “As soon as I was halfway through the summit, I was already fantasising about re-queering myself. I have booked an appointment to get my ears re-pierced and I will be dying my hair and getting my nails painted. On my first day back in Brighton I felt massive relief when I could put on my hot pink dungarees and go out and have no one bat an eyelid because my queer self is accepted as part of normal life here.”

JFC this was what was uppermost in his mind while his newborn babies were being transferred to the special care unit???

"I don’t identify with any gender, which makes me agender – one of the many identities under the trans and non-binary umbrella. "

I always knew we were all trans.

As a fellow agender person, I have a word that he can use that explains his relationship to his children, without having to carry any gendered connotations: "Daddy".

"In the end I ticked the ‘father/parent’ box. It doesn’t fully acknowledge who I am, but because I was exhausted, I chose it as the easier option."

Genuinely confused - how does it not acknowledge who he is?

but because I was exhausted ...

Poor lamb. At least he didn't have to give birth.

Is he not a parent then because that looks like father and or parent 🤔 maybe it isn't special enough, his "anxiety" will be through the roof with it all.

If this guy was 25 when he "came out" in 2017, he's now in his 30s, yet looks and sounds like a totally self-absorbed teenager. His poor partner, having to care for twins and cope with him at the same time. 😬

JKR on twitter: "Imagine being in labour with twins and hearing the father of your children telling your midwife his pronouns."

😭

This reads like satire as well! He seems to be masquerading as some kind of queer icon but nobody is convinced, not even himself.

The phrase that caught my eye was "still made me uncomfortable because it was proof that I wasn’t living authentically". Living authentically doesn't require any proof. It is a state of being. Whatever others, external commentators think or say, is irrelevant. A person who believes that they need proof that they are or aren't living authentically is not capable of living authentically.

I don't get this 'non-binary' stuff. Afaik most people see themselves as people, they don't go round all the time thinking 'I'm a man/I'm a woman', they think of themselves as 'me'. That I think of myself first as a person and then later, when faced with some discrimination usually, think of myself as a woman, mean I am non-binary? If so, it means that non-binary means bugger all - which is true enough.