Women's 'Private Spaces'

[Howseitgoin]

Clearly private spaces for women are considered a necessity by many due to a propensity for male sexual violence. Given this threat is much greater by orders of magnitude in the work place as opposed to public bathrooms, isn't it inconsistent not to demand private spaces there as well?
Thoughts?

Camille Paglia knows men aren't women.

In 2017 she wrote:

Our understanding of sexuality, a paradigmatic theme and indeed obsession of modern culture, has been clouded by its current politicization. Sex and gender have been redefined by ill-informed academic theorists as superficial, fictive phenomena produced by oppressive social forces, disconnected from biology. This hallucination has sowed confusion among young people and seriously damaged feminism. A gender theory without reference to biology is absurd on its face.

(from her book, Free Women, Free Men)

She sees 'trans' as a sign of cultural collapse:

No, don't you see? It's now unfeminist to care about women's safety. If you're not centering men in your feminism, what are you doing?

Or something to that effect, apparently.

Oh, well that's awkward for the OP, isn't it?

This hallucination has sowed confusion among young people

I don’t know the OP’s age, but they are certainly very confused.

The lack of clarity around whether they are arguing for single or mixed sex spaces is very ‘cutted up pear’.

Interesting. I got that story from a website on parliamentary history.
https://historyofparliament.com/2019/02/26/william-bankes-mp-1786-1855/

You are providing proof that you have no idea what feminism is.

But can you provide any proof to support any of your other claims?

What's your evidence for most young females not having a problem with shared bathrooms?

There's quite a bit of evidence that quite a number of girls are avoiding the toilets at schools.

I see this lots on here. It's a bit of a weird hill to die on. Bathroom might be of more American origin, but it is widely used by plenty of people in the UK.

It's a bit like someone insisting that referencing Santa rather than Father Christmas must mean someone is American. Just a total non sequitur.

Hummmmmm...

Ode to a lost memory🙃
Why is that twitter account flaging as ok with a pervy male behaviours in hospital settings?🦧

But that account is on my not allowed to pigon-sit list🤷‍♀️

Some UK regions use “bathroom” but mostly it’s an affectation caused by reading too many American social media posts. Like “y’all” I’m entirely unbothered what you think about it either way @PlanetJanette.

I think this is an allusion to the TRA conspiracy theory that Starmer wants to be on the good side of Trump and both somehow engineered the SC ruling and then refused to legislate to counter it.

1. It suggests the author doesn’t know what they are talking about and is referring to the different political situation in the US.

2. it’s niminy piminy language, almost as bad as ‘powdering my nose’. If we are talking about toilet provision we need to talk about toilets.

Agree @Merrymouse

It gets confusing using 'bathrooms' rather than 'toilets'. Many employers have showers and changing facilities, segregated by sex.

Sorry for the digression, is it really confusing?

I'm American, but have lived in the UK a long time now and mostly flushed (sorry) "bathroom" – and even worse, "restroom" – out of my system. By and large Americans do indeed see "toilet" as vulgar. (Pause for laughter.) Having said this, I figured we all know what's being referred to. Happy to admit being wrong though.

Good to know that so unbothered about my view are you that you felt the need to respond to me.

But thanks for the roundabout agreement that usage of bathroom does not mean a poster is American.

Chalk it up as a win, you don’t get many of those.

Men aren't and will never be women and therefore don't belong in private female spaces. Not sure why you think arguing that men are dangerous in other situations too is a good argument to allow men into private female spaces.

Our justice system isn't predicated on "identity". It is based on verifiable fact. Surely you understand the logistical nightmare of catering to billions of humans' subjective view of themselves?

And what on earth is "uncomfortability"?

But if they're not American it probably means they've rotted their brains by consuming too much bullshit from America.

Also harm isn’t always physical. Sexual harassment and coercive control has a huge effect on women and girls.

It's so great to see thread after thread where this dangerous ideology is challenged and argued rationally and eloquently.

The entitlement and misogyny is revealed every time.

I hope these threads will help educate people.

😁

I'm quite happy with the Equality Act as it stands.

It works for feminism and does allow for protections for women and single sex spaces with exemption clause AS WELL as preventing other discrimination in terms of jobs etc.

Have you read the UK law as it stands?

Tilts head.

It doesn't sound like it.

And workable legal definitions that give biological women AND transwomen clear protections in law.

How can we stop discrimination against transpeople if we can't see sex? Any of us could claim to be trans.

We don't know who the transpeople are without it.

And unfortunately when it comes to certain things, we need to refer to biology.

Otherwise we do harms to transpeople - if we treated transpeople in healthcare as the sex they identify with we risk harms and poor healthcare. If we treat them as the sex they are they get better outcomes AND we protect the doctors from potential malpractice and malicious legal claims.