Anne health Susie Greens new clinic

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So not happy with the puberty blockers ban in the UK and frustrated by Wes Streeting closing her planned loophole she found a new one and has been arranging for parents to take their kids abroad to get prescriptions of puberty blockers injections and testosterone for under 16s. The government has said its going to stop the practice but hasn't said how.

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If you want to start a thread about that, be my guest.

Do you have any comment to make on Susie Green's activities?

Of course. Doctors can very reasonably want their patients to have tried other means of contraception or have good reasons for not choosing those before opting for sterilisation. That is part of the prioritisation that needs to happen in a healthcare system.

And in reality most younger women who seek sterilisation will not be choosing it as a first choice. It is almost always women for whom other forms of contraception are painful or dangerous or cause intolerable side effects.

And a doctor absolutely can refuse treatment on the basis that it would do medical harm. That is an area where their expertise will make them more qualified than a patient to make a judgement on the likelihood of medical harm.

They should not, however, be supplanting their own risk assessment for a grown woman’s when it comes to the risk of regretting not being able to have children. That is not a medical issue - it is an emotional and social one, and a doctor is no more qualified than the woman herself - far less so, in fact - to judge how likely regret is, and whether the risk of that regret is justified by the benefits of sterilisation.

Ah I see. Curious you would address the topic on this thread but can’t stand by your claim.

Fair enough, as you were. Another so called feminist who refuses to say that women should be able to control their own fertility decisions.

No, you can fuck right off with trying to put words into my mouth.

I know you're very fond of the chin-stroking "hmm, I find this very telling" jibe, but that doesn't wash with me.

Especially bearing in mind you've posted dozens of times on this thread while refusing to address the actual subject of the thread.

As for controlling fertility, I'd like to restate that PJ is in favour of sterilising gay kids (because that's what they were doing at the Tavistock) but doesn't have the balls to make that argument.

That's why she refuses to say anything about Susie Green.

@PlanetJanette oversimplifyimg obviously causes misunderstandings

The human brain doesn't finish developing until 25. A lot of women don't really start making peace with their body until mid 30s. A person gets legal adulthood long before they have the capacity to react as an adult rather than a teenager in the full flush of teenage certainty in their own infallibility. An 18yo who has been on puberty blockers for a number of years (which are known to stunt brain growth) will have the legal right to consent to transition surgery and medical treatment as an adult, long before the likely timescale for them to reach the maturity level at which they realise how much they have been lied to and abused by the ideology train.

Thank you for giving your opinion on that issue. I don't think there is anything else to say on the matter.

Do you have anything to say about people who set up businesses abroad to sell drugs to children for purposes that are not legal in the UK?

Ok im going to try and explain this in a way any idiot can understand.
For 80% of children with body dismorphia doing nothing except allowing them to go through puberty with the development of the brain that comes with it resolves the body dismorphia.
When you use puberty blockers to prevent puberty you lock in the body dismorphia by simultaneously preventing the brain development that should happen and affirming the validity of their body dismorphia.
As these children get older and have more life experiences along with starting to suffer the side effects of their treatment without improving their mental health issues they often come to realise the lie they were sold and detransition.
The average timescale for detrasitioning is about 10 years. Many don't as they cant see a way back due to the damage done to their bodies and/or fear the backlash from their "community" and far to many kill themselves (trans people are most at risk of suicide AFTER medical transition).
As the explosion of ROGD only started in 2016 we are barely seeing the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the social contagion cohort, however what we have already seen is the early guinea-pigs of the Dutch protocol coming to term with what was done to them speaking out. The number of detransitioners who have been harmed by the people who should have helped them is growing daily.
What % of harm to children who suffer from body dismorphia is acceptable to you @PlanetJanette

I have actually said plenty about gender affirming healthcare for children on this thread.

But yes, chin stroking or not, it is certainly very illustrative that the GC voices on here range from actively opposed to adult women having full control of their fertility to merely silence on that matter. Not a single so called feminist (myself excluded) prepared to say definitively that women are better placed than their doctors to decide if they are prepared to take a risk that they may one day regret not having children.

I have actually said plenty about gender affirming healthcare for children on this thread.

Yes, you've repeatedly bullshitted us about puberty blockers being not only reversible, but normal puberty kicks in when you stop taking them. Which isn't the case.

You also think that they can be prescribed to minors under Gillick competence.

You still refuse to say anything about Susie Green running an overseas operation to provide "treatments" that are not legal in the UK.

You support sterilising gay kids, and you don't even have the courage to argue your case. Fuxache, get Susie Green on here and she'd argue her case.

I further take issue with PJ claiming to be the only feminist here given that one of her two only serious ideological commitments seems to be the right of trans identified men to take their cocks into women's single sex spaces.

The other commitment, to which PJ returns regularly, is opposition to the basic principles of child safeguarding.

That's because it has nothing to do with my thread its just you desperately trying to distract people from susie green and the loopholes she and her company Anne Health are exploiting to harm children.
How about you answer my earlier question what % of harm to children with body dismorphia is acceptable to you? Because for me its ZERO

Blocking puberty blocks the development of fertility. It does not destroy it, and that development of fertility resumes when puberty resumes.

But if the child reaches the age of 18 (technically an adult) and then goes straight to cross-sex hormones, they never resume puberty. This means that they were effectively sterilised as a child. This is the 'normal' progression of medication for a child who identifies as trans and doesn't desist.

Since all but one of the Tavistock children who were put on puberty blockers went on to have cross sex hormones, this indicates that nearly all those children were set on a path to sterilisation as children.

Don’t forget full ‘bodily autonomy’ and enabling children and vulnerable young people to make life changing/health ruining decisions and it’s their problem if they regret the consequences.

Can you answer these questions I asked you earlier @PlanetJanette ?

You're very keen on children being sterilised and having their normal sexual function impacted which will have an enormous effect on their ability to enjoy many aspects of their lives as adults, but you haven't said why you think this treatment is so important.

Can you explain? What on earth is this treatment trying to achieve? Why do you think it is so important that children receive it?

Does anyone on this thread think that Susie Green's clinic sounds like a good idea and, rather than letting children develop, their development should be stunted?
@PlanetJanette - are you seriously in favour of this clinic?

Evidence shows the vast overwhelming majority grow out of it. It's a fad, a social contagion.

You're being disingenuous. The purpose and side effects of Puberty Blockers is infertility, osteoporosis, lack of brain development, inorgasm, fused/narrow spinal cord, and fecal and urinary incontinence. Abortion does not cause those things.

The equivalent of what you're doing is advocating for Thalidomide because a teeny tiny minority didn't have any effects. You're advocating for dangerous drugs that sterilise and cause harm to growing bodies.

Girls run away from being female because of our oppression. Where as males run to being a girl/woman due to sexual fetish.

And bodily autonomy is absolutely a core element of both.

It's not absolute. We don't have the right to remove our organs, such as a kidney, and sell them.

So do tell us; do you support limb amputation for those who feel dysphoria over a limb (and there have been cases)? If a person wants a leg removed, for no reason other than dysphoria with it, should doctors do it?

What about an anorexic girl who wants a lap band operation?

Just how far do you go in this 'affirming' 'care', and where do you draw the line? Do you even have a line?

There is no clinical indication for prescribing a dangerous drug to a child that causes; infertility, osteoporosis, lack of brain development, inorgasmia, fused/narrow spinal cord, and fecal and urinary incontinence.

That is far worse than mere 'regret'.

They most certainly do if used for a long time - most 'trans' kids - , and prevents puberty at all and therefore sexual development. Even the Mayo Clinic has acknowledged this.

Well said. That mental illness 'eXiStS' does not mean it's valid. Schizophrenia 'exists', people with schizophrenia 'exist', that doesn't make it a desirable or valid lifestyle. People with Anorexia Nervosa 'exist'. That doesn't mean we seek 'affirming care' and give them liposuction and lap band surgery.

Trans kids do not exist as trans. It's parental abuse. It's like the saying; 'trans kids are like vegan cats: in both cases we know who is really making the decisions'. It's munchausen by proxy. Now known many quarters as transhausen by proxy. 'Trans' kids don't exist. Child abusing parents who got the wrong sex child they didn't want, or who prey on children's normal developmental confusion and who harm and abuse their child, exist.

Not only are you ignorant of what Puberty Blockers do, you are ignorant of the facts of Tavistock. It is a fact, a documented fact, that almost all of those children were INDEED sterilised. Why you need to lie, only you know.