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HidingBehindTheWallpaper · 21/08/2025 17:21

HidingBehindTheWallpaper · 21/08/2025 17:05

Always the leggings. If I was due in court I would wear leggings. So many better clothing options

Wouldn’t wear leggings I should say.

HidingBehindTheWallpaper · 21/08/2025 17:23

Lins77 · 21/08/2025 17:10

You certainly wouldn't if you were a transwoman who didn't want people to know he had a penis.

It does make you wonder about people's motivations. You could wear anything, but you choose something that clearly shows your crown jewels?

If I wanted people to spot my schlong I’d wear leggings. But if I didn’t and was claiming that it was easy to mistake me for a woman some nice loose fitting trousers or a skirt would do the job. It’s almost like it’s on purpose

myplace · 21/08/2025 17:23

So @JamieCannister you are ok for my family to beat up your teenage son if he crosses the line with my teenage daughter? That’s good to know. I always assumed I was supposed to rein in murderous rage.

SidewaysOtter · 21/08/2025 17:24

Lins77 · 21/08/2025 17:10

You certainly wouldn't if you were a transwoman who didn't want people to know he had a penis.

It does make you wonder about people's motivations. You could wear anything, but you choose something that clearly shows your crown jewels?

My granny would say "There's nowt as queer as folk" which would probably apply in this situation, although not in the way she'd intended.

SionnachRuadh · 21/08/2025 17:26

"I felt really self conscious and didn't want him to know I had a knob"

wears skin tight leggings to court

I think this is what legal heads would term a bold strategy.

TheCatsTongue · 21/08/2025 17:27

JamieCannister · 21/08/2025 17:14

Killing is not the answer. Vigilante justice is not the answer.

Killing is not always murder. Vigilante justice may not be the answer, but it is inevitably going to happen from time to time (not least if you make the victim or their family incredibly angry by committing a heinous act like rape or sex by deception)

So because vigilante justice is inevitable that is reason enough not to find someone guilty of murder?

AgnesX · 21/08/2025 17:28

That person reminds me of one of those baby dolls from the 70s like Tiny Tears or the one that came with a bottle to "feed" the doll with.

TheCatsTongue · 21/08/2025 17:29

I do seriously think that the defence case is that he is clearly trans and could not be mistaken for a biological woman.

Pure speculation, but perhaps the victim knew and has decided a few years later to get revenge by taken the accused to court. Unfortunately for the accused because he didn't explicitly say he was trans before sexual activity this warrants a court case.

SerendipityJane · 21/08/2025 17:37

Vigilante justice is really the ultimate expression of "look what you made me do".

You can never legislate things out of existence. But you can certainly legislate societies disapproval. (Ask Lucy Connolly).

Weneedmoreheretics · 21/08/2025 19:10

Agree but if there was no vaginal penetration, implies given a blow job, why did he think she might be pregnant?

BeltaLodaLife · 21/08/2025 19:12

MistyGreenAndBlue · 21/08/2025 01:24

Blimey! How drunk was he that he couldn't tell that was a man?
They really DO just see us as boobs on legs, don't they?

Do you say that about lesbians who have been tricked too? He’s a victim. You’re disgusting to victim blame like that.

JamieCannister · 21/08/2025 19:17

TheCatsTongue · 21/08/2025 17:27

So because vigilante justice is inevitable that is reason enough not to find someone guilty of murder?

If the accused was a victim of rape or sex by deception who got revenge immediately, I would find it incredibly hard to be convinced that the death was a result of a deliberate desire to kill as opposed to a predictable and uncontrollable violent reaction.

BeltaLodaLife · 21/08/2025 19:17

Weneedmoreheretics · 21/08/2025 19:10

Agree but if there was no vaginal penetration, implies given a blow job, why did he think she might be pregnant?

If it happens a few years ago then they were teens. Teens can be stupid. A lot of them don’t get sex education.

TheCatsTongue · 21/08/2025 19:20

JamieCannister · 21/08/2025 19:17

If the accused was a victim of rape or sex by deception who got revenge immediately, I would find it incredibly hard to be convinced that the death was a result of a deliberate desire to kill as opposed to a predictable and uncontrollable violent reaction.

This is sounding a lot like the rough sex defence.

Anyone can claim sex by deception, kill the other party and then use that as a defence to get off.

JamieCannister · 21/08/2025 19:36

myplace · 21/08/2025 17:23

So @JamieCannister you are ok for my family to beat up your teenage son if he crosses the line with my teenage daughter? That’s good to know. I always assumed I was supposed to rein in murderous rage.

I hope that my son is fully aware that "crossing a line" (I'll take that mean ignoring the requirement for consent in any way at all) is something that he should not do for a number of reasons. Top four off the top of my head being.... It is immoral. It is illegal (therefore risks legal consequences). It risks him becoming unpopular and losing friends and having a less good life (ie don't do it even if you don't care about morality or the risk of prison). It risks him getting beaten up by his victim's angry family.

I try not to be too supportive of vigilante justice, and I would never support violence against my own family for obvious and selfish reasons. But on the other hand, when you see a vid of a teenaged mugger getting knocked out cold by an old man who used to be a professional boxer it does rather warm the heart.

If my son came home with a black eye and saying he'd got it off his new girlfriend's dad after groping her breasts when he knew she didn't consent for him to do it, I would like to think I would regard it as much more of a learning opportunity for my son than her dad. I would tell my son that he was in the wrong, and the dad was in the wrong, but on the other hand a black eye might be better than a police record and that what he has just experienced is the cold hard truth that if you fuck around you might find out.

CinnamonCinnabar · 21/08/2025 19:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/08/2025 11:58

I’ve posted this link to that study many times on here. The actual paper is linked in the article but paywalled.

https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating

Unfortunately the authors have made their own research junk by lumping in transwomen with women then transmen with men in their analysis, and using self-described sexual orientation- it's impossible to tell if transwomen in the study who were sexually attracted to females self-described as hetero or homosexual. It's also not a representative population at all - only about 63% of respondents were straight which is way off national average from larger surveys. Classic example of why using self-identification in research skews results.

JamieCannister · 21/08/2025 19:40

TheCatsTongue · 21/08/2025 19:20

This is sounding a lot like the rough sex defence.

Anyone can claim sex by deception, kill the other party and then use that as a defence to get off.

I do agree that there is a risk of opening trans people to the constant risk of being murdered by any man who has a murderous hatred of trans people and sees an opportunity to murder without consequences.

On the other hand I would argue that hiding one's sex is inherently anti-social, and that one damn good way of not ever giving someone the opportunity to kill you and get away with it by a false claim of sex by deception is not to hide your sex in the first place.

ThatAgileCoralBird · 21/08/2025 19:49

There have been a few woman posing as men and duping other women into relationships:
Blade Salvino was jailed for 10 years,
Gayle Newland was jailed for 8 years.

Does the trans aspect alter this? Does the fact that it was just a few dates?
will be interesting to see the outcome and if it differs.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/08/2025 19:54

CinnamonCinnabar · 21/08/2025 19:37

Unfortunately the authors have made their own research junk by lumping in transwomen with women then transmen with men in their analysis, and using self-described sexual orientation- it's impossible to tell if transwomen in the study who were sexually attracted to females self-described as hetero or homosexual. It's also not a representative population at all - only about 63% of respondents were straight which is way off national average from larger surveys. Classic example of why using self-identification in research skews results.

I agree but even so the research isn’t favourable to the TWAW crew.

BunfightBetty · 21/08/2025 19:58

HidingBehindTheWallpaper · 21/08/2025 17:23

If I wanted people to spot my schlong I’d wear leggings. But if I didn’t and was claiming that it was easy to mistake me for a woman some nice loose fitting trousers or a skirt would do the job. It’s almost like it’s on purpose

Yes, the cynic in me reckons his lawyer advised him to dress like a woman, while making sure he looked as much like a bloke (dressed as a woman) as possible. To land the idea the victim must have known he was a fella all along…

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HidingBehindTheWallpaper · 21/08/2025 20:18

BunfightBetty · 21/08/2025 19:58

Yes, the cynic in me reckons his lawyer advised him to dress like a woman, while making sure he looked as much like a bloke (dressed as a woman) as possible. To land the idea the victim must have known he was a fella all along…

That’s what I’m thinking. It’s hard to argue that you had no idea when it’s easy to see.

Baby26 · 21/08/2025 20:19

Weneedmoreheretics · 21/08/2025 19:10

Agree but if there was no vaginal penetration, implies given a blow job, why did he think she might be pregnant?

I took it as it wasn't his, 'she' was just confiding in him. At least, that's the only scenario I could come up with to explain it!

SidewaysOtter · 21/08/2025 20:23

SionnachRuadh · 21/08/2025 17:26

"I felt really self conscious and didn't want him to know I had a knob"

wears skin tight leggings to court

I think this is what legal heads would term a bold strategy.

Ah, but he’s hiding said knob behind his handbag.

I suspect the photographer made damn sure to capture that picture angle, despite Mr Leggings’ best efforts.

BunfightBetty · 21/08/2025 20:35

Funny how we never see Tandora pop up on these threads to tell us how this bloke is really an actual woman, and isn’t a man, cos he says so, and how it would benefit us to have him changing next to us in the communal gym changing room…

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