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Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread

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fromorbit · 19/08/2025 08:38

The new left party is going to have significant implications for gender and sex discussions on the left in the UK and in wider political debate as well. Lets talk about it.

Four of its prospective MPs are Gaza independents whose votes and comments in the Commons indicate a social conservative background . One of them Adnan Hussain has already got into a row on X with prospective members over his social conservatism.

The hilarious breakdown of the Islamo-left alliance
The progressive left has suddenly noticed that most British Muslims are not exactly woke.
This uneasy marriage got a reality check last week when a Green Party councillor and practising Muslim, Mothin Ali, appeared reluctant to sign a set of ‘pledges’ on behalf of the LGBTQIA+ Greens, Feminist Greens and other similar groups. The MP for Blackburn, ‘Gaza Independent’ Adnan Hussain, then waded into the debate. ‘It’s no secret that Muslims tend to be socially conservative’, Hussain said. ‘Is there a space on the left to create a broad enough church to allow Muslims an authentic space, just as it does other minority groups?’
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/08/04/the-hilarious-breakdown-of-the-islamo-left-alliance/

The initial statement for Your Party focuses on poverty, fighting the system and Gaza, but makes no mention of progressive social issues, . This already signals something significant.
https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

Zarah Sultana on the other hand has already signaled out trans rights as a key principal in a recent interview which has received push back from others. Discussion here:

The Elephant in the Room for Zara Sultana’s “Your Party”
https://labourheartlands.com/the-elephant-in-the-room/
But here’s the rub. Sultana also pledged to “resolutely” advocate for a pro-trans socialist programme. She insists these discussions must happen openly and democratically.

That sounds fine in theory. In practice, the left has already shown itself utterly incapable of having this conversation without collapsing into authoritarian cancel culture.

Can the Left Have an Honest Trans Debate Without Cancelling Women?

For years, women who raise legitimate questions about the impact of gender self-ID on female-only spaces, or about the safeguarding implications highlighted by the Cass Review, have been branded as bigots and driven out of the movement. “Demonising trans people” is often code for “asking difficult but necessary questions.” If Your Party repeats this mistake, it will bleed support from countless socialist women before it even begins.

The truth is, many women will not get involved in this project precisely because of the Corbyn–Sultana line on trans issues. Others may hope the problem quietly goes away. It won’t. Nor is this a side issue: women’s rights are not negotiable add-ons to socialism; they are foundational. To ignore them is to build on sand.

TAs online and who are planning to join are already girding up for war, it is looking messy.

I can see a number of factions inside the new party who are going to make things complicated:

Muslim social conservatives - as mentioned they will be a major part of the party's voting bloc.

Old school Marxists who regard gender ideology as neo liberal capitalist identity politics and a distraction from class.

Realists who will see gender stuff as a marginal issue which needs to be sidelined because it is so toxic and unpopular with the general public.

Last but certainly not least actual left wing feminists who see through gender nonsense and are not going to be quiet about it !!

I expect fireworks over gender at the the party's initial conference supposedly to be held in November. TAs will attempt to make genderism a key principal of the party and will face resistance. Whether it happens or not it will be another nail in the TAs attempt to pretend the left inherently back neoliberal capitalist ideas like genderism. The big terfy mother elephant is going to be at the conference because women keep doing awkward things like existing and saying things.

Corbyn's position is going to be a focus in this because for all his occasional signalling on trans issues like stating pronouns and saying mantras it is not a core issue for him, and moreover he doesn't believe in it narrowly . His circles have long contained gender critical people who he has refused to cancel, because Corbyn for all his faults believes in open debate. So I think this could be a wedge issue between those around Sultana and Corbyn. There are already signs of disagreements between them over other issues like antisemitism:
Sultana: Corbyn 'capitulated' on antisemitism definition
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79lr40rqelo

Statement — Your Party

https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

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SionnachRuadh · 26/10/2025 19:59

I'd forgotten about that. OJ the fashion critic is a side of him we rarely see. Sometimes I think he's on a mission to disprove that awful old prejudice about gay men having a great sense of style.

Lalgarh · 27/10/2025 17:58

Leadership pitch time. Sultana setting out clear (red?) water with the greens by declaring Your Party will sever all diplomatic ties with Israel, unlike Polanski

https://nitter.net/SamuraiApology/status/1982843729007571435#m

Ppl Confused about if this is set policy BC all the other MPs include Corbyn agree this (and if so, why do None of the documents say this) or, like her assertion that Your Party will not want social conservatives, this is her decision and vision.

Eg, "Zelensky isn't a friend of the working class."

https://nitter.net/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1982768825444553056#m

Also Sultana is reportedly refusing to hand over the membership data until she gets a guarantee that Your Party will cover her costs for any fines for data breaches. So Your Party (Corbyn faction) are asking members to register again

x.com/thisisyourparty/status/1982572334415499640?t=Jkac0aLyA67FwYkj25x-Vg&s=19

fromorbit · 27/10/2025 21:20

Lalgarh · 27/10/2025 17:58

Leadership pitch time. Sultana setting out clear (red?) water with the greens by declaring Your Party will sever all diplomatic ties with Israel, unlike Polanski

https://nitter.net/SamuraiApology/status/1982843729007571435#m

Ppl Confused about if this is set policy BC all the other MPs include Corbyn agree this (and if so, why do None of the documents say this) or, like her assertion that Your Party will not want social conservatives, this is her decision and vision.

Eg, "Zelensky isn't a friend of the working class."

https://nitter.net/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1982768825444553056#m

Also Sultana is reportedly refusing to hand over the membership data until she gets a guarantee that Your Party will cover her costs for any fines for data breaches. So Your Party (Corbyn faction) are asking members to register again

x.com/thisisyourparty/status/1982572334415499640?t=Jkac0aLyA67FwYkj25x-Vg&s=19

Interesting developments for sure.

However it may be Zarah is overplaying her hand. It will all become clear at the founding conference. Certainly she seems to have a trend of attacking the Greens.

This article argues YP has a stronger base than the Greens. I think they are going to come into conflict especially in London where seats are coming up in May.
Corbyn’s Your Party will beat the Greens
The hard-Left bloc is fishing for votes among very different people, in a very different type of England

https://archive.is/6WYJn

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TruckDiver · 27/10/2025 22:00

MaturingCheeseball · 26/10/2025 13:23

An old school friend told me rather proudly that her ds is a communist and activist. Then she told me how she’d had an inheritance from an aunt so had bought him a flat in London. This boy (well, man I suppose) has gone from private school to lounging in parents’ Clapham house to his own paid-for flat…

I understand this is a somewhat typical profile of these twerps in the Greens/SWP/YourSillyParty…

Yes, you're not actually allowed to join any of those parties unless you've inherited a flat. 🙄

SionnachRuadh · 28/10/2025 07:00

fromorbit · 27/10/2025 21:20

Interesting developments for sure.

However it may be Zarah is overplaying her hand. It will all become clear at the founding conference. Certainly she seems to have a trend of attacking the Greens.

This article argues YP has a stronger base than the Greens. I think they are going to come into conflict especially in London where seats are coming up in May.
Corbyn’s Your Party will beat the Greens
The hard-Left bloc is fishing for votes among very different people, in a very different type of England

https://archive.is/6WYJn

Very perceptive article, except that the problem for the white left in YP is that they're sociologically closer to the Greens. And they can pass all the resolutions they like, but the Gaza MPs are not socialists, and the seats where they might have a chance of actually winning are not places that will elect Andrew Feinstein or James Schneider on a socialist platform.

fromorbit · 28/10/2025 08:30

SionnachRuadh · 28/10/2025 07:00

Very perceptive article, except that the problem for the white left in YP is that they're sociologically closer to the Greens. And they can pass all the resolutions they like, but the Gaza MPs are not socialists, and the seats where they might have a chance of actually winning are not places that will elect Andrew Feinstein or James Schneider on a socialist platform.

True I think no-one white is going to be standing in areas which are very Muslim. There is lots of talk of localism in YP which will allow the existing Gaza MPs to remain as their supporters will dominate local groups one suspects. There is still talk of YP being affiliated with Aspire in Tower Hamlets who have no none Muslim councilors. We will see how this plays out, but one of the options for the party is a sort of decentralised structure which allows socially conservative Muslims to exist in the same party with white Leftists without having to give away on key positions and any power or positions.

In Labour it is more centralised and Muslim voters are tied to a socially liberal party, by default. The Gaza MPs are rebelling against that. They have actual power and get to say what they want.

Whether it can function in practice remains to be seen. Trying to get Zarah and Adnan in the same party long term is going to be interesting.

Meanwhile coverage of te shocking admin failures continue which is not going to help

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/corbyn-sultana-losing-data-your-party-5HjdFxN_2/

Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana admit losing data of 20,000 Your Party members in portal mix-up | LBC

The hard-left MPs announced that more than 20,000 people's data was lost after Ms Sultana launched a membership portal on September 18.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/corbyn-sultana-losing-data-your-party-5HjdFxN_2/

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ArabellaSaurus · 28/10/2025 08:49

' Writing in The National in July, Murray had previously expressed disappointment at being blocked from standing as an Alba candidate, but said "I intend to stay in Alba and try to reform it".

Murray claimed he was blocked over an eight-month jail sentence he was given in May 2021 after a judge ruled that he had unlawfully published details about the identities of female witnesses in Alex Salmond’s criminal trial.

He had covered the former first minister’s trial from the public benches and wrote about it on his blog.

Murray also said he was rejected because he had stood for George Galloway's Workers Party of Britain in Blackburn at the General Election last year – where he came third with 7105 votes – but said he had stood "on Gaza, after full discussion and agreement with Alex Salmond". '

ArabellaSaurus · 28/10/2025 08:52

I did wonder what Gorgeous George was up to. On X, he appears to be in Minsk.

SionnachRuadh · 28/10/2025 08:52

What is the point of a party that can't say to Craig Murray "piss off, you're not sabotaging us like you've done with every other party you join"

Lalgarh · 28/10/2025 09:07

Murray is specifically gunning for Adnan Hussein, esp after he commented about "absurd counter demonstrators" to far right marches which YP and anti fash took exception to. They seemed to actually welcome him as a challenger in his constituency. Presumably those masked up Bruvvers.

Meanwhile: An unfortunate side effect of the request for re registration and giving them 3 months free membership is that they can't cross reference with the original list to weed out spoof entryists

https://nitter.net/BrianSpanner1/status/1982794962136686769#m

ArabellaSaurus · 28/10/2025 09:19

SionnachRuadh · 28/10/2025 08:52

What is the point of a party that can't say to Craig Murray "piss off, you're not sabotaging us like you've done with every other party you join"

Sheer entertainment value?

ArabellaSaurus · 28/10/2025 09:20

Lalgarh · 28/10/2025 09:07

Murray is specifically gunning for Adnan Hussein, esp after he commented about "absurd counter demonstrators" to far right marches which YP and anti fash took exception to. They seemed to actually welcome him as a challenger in his constituency. Presumably those masked up Bruvvers.

Meanwhile: An unfortunate side effect of the request for re registration and giving them 3 months free membership is that they can't cross reference with the original list to weed out spoof entryists

https://nitter.net/BrianSpanner1/status/1982794962136686769#m

Is there anyone in there that isn't a spoof entryist, including the ones who've set it up?

SionnachRuadh · 28/10/2025 09:37

I mean say what you like about Farage, at least he's been pretty firm that Carl Benjamin and his mates aren't allowed to join Reform. "These are the idiots who destroyed Ukip and I'm not letting them have another go," quoth Nigel.

I take no please (well maybe a wee bit) in saying that these days I take Craig Murray about as seriously as I do Carl Benjamin.

The Sultana faction welcoming Murray in purely to sabotage Adnan is not going to go down well with the other Gaza MPs, who will see that they're vulnerable to similar tactics.

fromorbit · 28/10/2025 09:47

Zarah's latest instagram post is gold.

https://nitter.net/DespoticInroad/status/1983075639063134602

Lambasting people for being middle class when her dad was an accountant and she went to Grammar school for six form. Everyone can tell you are middle class Zarah. It is embarrassing. You just are middle class who studied at comprehensive which means when you went to Grammar and uni you felt weird because there is a gulf inside the middle class inside the UK and it means you got obsessed with class stuff. Look at this article on her background
https://www.huckmag.com/article/zarah-sultana-profile-labour-coventry-south-bts

Newsflash actual working class kids would be very unlikely to have your career path. Accept your privilege and come to terms with the very British way you are attacking other middle class people. Being brown doesn't make you working class. Nor does having a retail job while in uni.

Championing working class people doesn't mean larping as one.

Huck logo

Zarah Sultana is fighting for a better, bolder world

At just 27 years old, Zarah Sultana has established herself as one of the British Left’s next great hopes. But how did she arrive here?

https://www.huckmag.com/article/zarah-sultana-profile-labour-coventry-south-bts

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SionnachRuadh · 28/10/2025 09:52

Well, her people have spent several years promoting her to American lefties as the British AOC.

That would be the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who grew up in leafy suburban Westchester County, studied at Boston University and interned for Ted Kennedy before reinventing herself as a humble bartender from the mean streets of the Bronx.

Lalgarh · 28/10/2025 10:04

She... She did that Instagram post using Comic Sans font

Chersfrozenface · 28/10/2025 10:38

Lalgarh · 28/10/2025 10:04

She... She did that Instagram post using Comic Sans font

Surely that's the very epitome of "This person is unserious".

Lalgarh · 28/10/2025 10:49

SionnachRuadh · 28/10/2025 09:52

Well, her people have spent several years promoting her to American lefties as the British AOC.

That would be the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who grew up in leafy suburban Westchester County, studied at Boston University and interned for Ted Kennedy before reinventing herself as a humble bartender from the mean streets of the Bronx.

Crazed Mamdani fans are convinced that the publicity posters for Catherine Connollys successful bid for Ireland PM was inspired by his campaign stylings. Who knows. Maybe Sultana is reclaiming comic sans as a mode of left progressive discourse

ArabellaSaurus · 28/10/2025 10:50

Font nerd, but that's not quite CSS. It looks like it shares some characteristics, but CSS is more playful. That's a poundshop-rip off sans serif.

Lalgarh · 28/10/2025 10:56

Gah typo President not PM. Can't edit.

hihelenhi · 29/10/2025 01:41

fromorbit · 28/10/2025 09:47

Zarah's latest instagram post is gold.

https://nitter.net/DespoticInroad/status/1983075639063134602

Lambasting people for being middle class when her dad was an accountant and she went to Grammar school for six form. Everyone can tell you are middle class Zarah. It is embarrassing. You just are middle class who studied at comprehensive which means when you went to Grammar and uni you felt weird because there is a gulf inside the middle class inside the UK and it means you got obsessed with class stuff. Look at this article on her background
https://www.huckmag.com/article/zarah-sultana-profile-labour-coventry-south-bts

Newsflash actual working class kids would be very unlikely to have your career path. Accept your privilege and come to terms with the very British way you are attacking other middle class people. Being brown doesn't make you working class. Nor does having a retail job while in uni.

Championing working class people doesn't mean larping as one.

I can't stand Zarah and think she's a total idiot, but in fairness, going to a grammar school (which is a state school, btw) isn't some major sign of "being middle class" and your parents paying for it like private school - it just means you passed an exam in an area that has grammar schools. Doing A levels at a grammar school isn't a sign of anything except the fact you've done A levels. Unless we're saying that no working class person is smart enough to get into a grammar school, do A levels? Might be a bit of a surprise to a lot of people I grew up with...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/10/2025 08:11

Yes I think it’s a normal part of the education system in some areas, like parts of Kent.

nicepotoftea · 29/10/2025 08:55

hihelenhi · 29/10/2025 01:41

I can't stand Zarah and think she's a total idiot, but in fairness, going to a grammar school (which is a state school, btw) isn't some major sign of "being middle class" and your parents paying for it like private school - it just means you passed an exam in an area that has grammar schools. Doing A levels at a grammar school isn't a sign of anything except the fact you've done A levels. Unless we're saying that no working class person is smart enough to get into a grammar school, do A levels? Might be a bit of a surprise to a lot of people I grew up with...

Edited

I don't think it can be necessary to go to private school to be 'middle class' given that so few people go to private schools. What would that make everyone else?

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