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This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

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CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

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CurlewKate · 19/08/2025 17:09

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 19/08/2025 16:31

You are assuming that other people are as rational as you. @CurlewKate could try putting to her family questions like 'what if an Orthodox Jewish woman can't go out, because she can't be sure of not encountering a biological male in the toilets?'. And if they're anything like my trans friends, the answer will be 'she's a bigot, held back by religion (the irony🙄) and needs to learn'.

They know what that essay is about. They just think what they want is more important.

Yes, I could try that. I have said very similar in the past. But it has been made very clear that I am very much on “probation”

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/08/2025 17:13

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/08/2025 16:17

Ignorant of her original piece...the original plea on behalf of female dignity that so many decided was hateful, but which it turns out very few, if any, had read in full; if at all.

People used to refer to it all of the time, but none could analyse it or say what they found objectionable within it.

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I don't think the OP is ignorant of it. The OP doesn't understand what people think JKR has done wrong and was hoping that some people who hate her could explain why.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 19/08/2025 17:23

RedToothBrush · 19/08/2025 13:55

Why on earth does this dipstick think women talk about their bras on twitter all the time?

Either he's Searching 'bra' and seeing what posts come up or he's actively following accounts which talk about bras more than is normal.

He seems to think transwomen talk about bras all the time which suggests he's following a lot of transwomen who do talk about bras a lot and he thinks this is normal. Which probably says a lot about him and the accounts he follows.

What he hasn't got is a clue about how actual women behave and thinks he's an authority on what they do. He's got an idea in his head about women are and what women do and thinks this fantasy is reality and then mansplains to us all what being a woman is. He thinks knows more than actual women.

Which is utterly hilarious.

But I don't think we are supposed to point out what a nitwit he is and JKR certainly isn't being she's mean and evil and should remain silent so she's not accused of using the wrong tone.

Meanwhile fuckwit blokes say shite like this.

He’s still on about it, something along the lines of ‘gender critical women are all over 60 and pretend they’re don’t talk about bras all the time, in order to exclude trans women and call them perverts when they discuss bras, which is perfectly normal because it’s what all women do’ says this great eejit of a man 😂 he’s getting absolutely roasted but can’t stop, he needs help.

goldtrap · 19/08/2025 17:30

CurlewKate · 19/08/2025 15:58

Interestingly, my “JKR is a transphobe” family members are outspoken about her NOT being anti semitic. Sometimes a goblin is just a goblin.

Except, a goblin is not 'just a goblin' because it's a mythological creature and therefore made up and so can be anything, especially, as prevelant in literature, Jewish.

Here's a reference for you, from a Jewish folklore site. Perhaps you can share it with your family members and see what they think. (It's all an interesting read, but the HP stuff is at the end) jewitches.com/blogs/blog/goblins-jews-and-antisemitism-1

Merrymouse · 19/08/2025 17:39

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 19/08/2025 17:23

He’s still on about it, something along the lines of ‘gender critical women are all over 60 and pretend they’re don’t talk about bras all the time, in order to exclude trans women and call them perverts when they discuss bras, which is perfectly normal because it’s what all women do’ says this great eejit of a man 😂 he’s getting absolutely roasted but can’t stop, he needs help.

It’s not just that he thinks that women talk about their bras all the time - he thinks they also tweet about it…?

If he is right I can only conclude that I am not a woman.

MyNameIsX · 19/08/2025 17:42

You’re the best @CurlewKate

I mean, this thread is just brilliant!

CurlewKate · 19/08/2025 17:50

goldtrap · 19/08/2025 17:30

Except, a goblin is not 'just a goblin' because it's a mythological creature and therefore made up and so can be anything, especially, as prevelant in literature, Jewish.

Here's a reference for you, from a Jewish folklore site. Perhaps you can share it with your family members and see what they think. (It's all an interesting read, but the HP stuff is at the end) jewitches.com/blogs/blog/goblins-jews-and-antisemitism-1

Thank you. I will read it this evening.

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AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 19/08/2025 18:03

Merrymouse · 19/08/2025 17:39

It’s not just that he thinks that women talk about their bras all the time - he thinks they also tweet about it…?

If he is right I can only conclude that I am not a woman.

Neither am I in that case. But I knew that anyway after India Willoughby posted a helpful checklist of what a woman actually is, someone who always wears make up and has cocktails with "the girls" IIRC.

RedToothBrush · 19/08/2025 18:15

I am here for the old skool internet pwning like this.

I love trolls being dealt with appropriately. The other person who is this good is James Blunt. (And no I don't like his records)

It's glorious.

This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..
PestoHoliday · 19/08/2025 18:18

Oh please, PLEASE say you have a screenshot of that! I would love to know how the fragrant India establishes the many ways I'm less of a woman than he is

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 19/08/2025 18:19

RedToothBrush · 19/08/2025 18:15

I am here for the old skool internet pwning like this.

I love trolls being dealt with appropriately. The other person who is this good is James Blunt. (And no I don't like his records)

It's glorious.

This will always be one of my favourites.

James blunt is also epic at it. Hope he published a book of his troll responses one day.

This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..
RedToothBrush · 19/08/2025 18:21

Aiden Comerford AT aidenctweets
On Mumsnet, the social media forum where "gender critical" women discuss things, there are over 2500 threads of public discussions about bras

Oh dear.

He thinks this is an argument.

How many threads on domestic abuse, mortgages and awful MILs?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 19/08/2025 18:24

@PestoHoliday hope this works

https://x.com/OkayBiology/status/1946964025436221944

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 19/08/2025 18:26

In the object of fairness I should point out it coffee with the girls rather than cocktails.

But seeing as I don't do that either, I still fail the woman test 😭.

PestoHoliday · 19/08/2025 18:41

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 19/08/2025 18:24

@PestoHoliday hope this works

Sodding hell. Fashion, makeup, Love Island and coming out for a coffee "with the girls". (I could make some obvious personal comments about several of those stereotypes and how they do or don't apply to Willoughby, but I am trying to rise above that)

I fail on fashion, make-up and Love Island for a start. And I never ever go for coffee "with the girls", I go for coffee with my friends. Two of them this morning, as it happens. But we aren't "the girls", ffs.

I don't think you can look at JKR's amazing red carpet outfits and not realise she has "fashion" locked down; she looks superb. I have no idea her feelings about makeup or exploitative reality TV, nor do care. I'd have given my eye teeth to win the meal out with her because she seems a bloody good laugh.

But none of that makes her "typical" of the British woman. She isn't, she is exemplary, not the norm.

As for what she has in common with British women... I think being both British and a woman helps, and Willoughby stumbles on that second hurdle.

BellissimoGecko · 19/08/2025 19:02

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:28

I don’t think she’s as awful as a lot of people seem to.

I just think it’s kind of sad. She has so much money, and she spends all her time on such a minuscule issue compared to what the country is facing. She could do so much good for the nation, and she won’t.

You are kidding, aren’t you? You think women’s rights is a minority, fringe issue??

Rowling has set up Beira’s Place to support women who have been sexually assaulted. She has funded a centre for multiple sclerosis research. She has funded women to escape from Afghanistan. She funded Lumos 20 years ago, and Volant.

Read more here: https://www.thetimes.com/sunday-times-rich-list/feature/article/jk-rowling-interview-2025-philanthropy-wk6hhcfc0

JK Rowling: ‘Nobody who hasn’t been poor can understand what it means’

The author, ranked 168 on The Sunday Times Rich List, opens up about her childhood, life on benefits and the pitfalls of philanthropy

https://www.thetimes.com/sunday-times-rich-list/feature/article/jk-rowling-interview-2025-philanthropy-wk6hhcfc0

borntobequiet · 19/08/2025 19:08

RedToothBrush · 19/08/2025 18:21

Aiden Comerford AT aidenctweets
On Mumsnet, the social media forum where "gender critical" women discuss things, there are over 2500 threads of public discussions about bras

Oh dear.

He thinks this is an argument.

How many threads on domestic abuse, mortgages and awful MILs?

Well I never. It’s the same for all of them.
But we all know the MN advanced search is rubbish.

itsachickeninnit · 19/08/2025 19:08

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:45

Yet she spends all her time on social media dividing society 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s clear this thread wasn’t started in good faith asking for actual contributions, so I’m out

How do you know how much time she spends on social media? I go on Twitter once a day for about five minutes, the rest of my day is spent doing a wide variety of things. What makes you think she sits all day staring at social media?

borntobequiet · 19/08/2025 19:09

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Shortshriftandlethal · 19/08/2025 19:14

CurlewKate · 19/08/2025 17:07

I’m not ignorant of that. I was assuming there must be more.

To be honest I think your thread starter was a bit 'mangled' and maybe unintentionally provocative and it also came across as being uncertain of its purpose. It semed to alienate most who post on this forum. It was as if you were uncertain of your audience. The people who might take major issue with JK Rowling are not the natural demographic of this forum, and those that are the natural demographic you requested that they didn't post.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/08/2025 19:18

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/08/2025 17:13

I don't think the OP is ignorant of it. The OP doesn't understand what people think JKR has done wrong and was hoping that some people who hate her could explain why.

The communication of that purpose was poor, and also misplaced. This forum is not where you would expect to find a gathering of Rowling 'phobes' is it?

CurlewKate · 19/08/2025 19:39

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/08/2025 19:18

The communication of that purpose was poor, and also misplaced. This forum is not where you would expect to find a gathering of Rowling 'phobes' is it?

Well, it’s where I thought I might find a few reasonably thoughtful ones who are prepared to engage….

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AstonScrapingsNameChange · 19/08/2025 19:40

She's a rich and powerful woman who gives zero fucks, and people don't like that because women 'aren't supposed' to be rich, powerful and independent.

That is basically it, as far as I can see.

MyNameIsX · 19/08/2025 19:55

With the greatest respect to the OP - despite proclamations of acting in good faith etc., I for one am not buying it.

To start a thread asserting that if one does not agree with a flawed premise, they should not bother posting, is entirely cynical.

Leopards & spots comes to mind.

McSilkson · 19/08/2025 19:57

I broadly agree with JKR on trans issues, admire her incredible rags to riches story, and love Harry Potter wholeheartedly.

However, I think she has allowed "Twitter" to poison her significantly. That place tends to do that to people, and I think public figures would do best to avoid it. I can understand why she would be angry about the abuse she's received, but her posting has become increasingly obsessive, petty and/or spiteful, and it's just really not a good look. I find it quite embarrassing, to be honest. The gloating cigar photo was cringeworthy and (ironically?) lived down to her enemies' portrait of her. I wish she would get off Twitter ASAP, and stick to publishing well-reasoned and thoughtful essays via her website, as she started out on this issue. I think she really needs to take a step back at this point.