some parallels

[Manfreglory]

I've been teasing out this idea, that transphobia and xenophobia have much in common.

• both rest on 'you're not from here; your culture is different; you can't know what it is to have grown up 'over here'/had period pains/gone through labour.

• both reject difference or change in favour of sameness or stasis. 'You look and talk and think differently/you underwent a journey to get here/I can't fully relate to you'.

• both rest not just on culture but on biology: 'Your genes are different than mine/your genotype for phenotype A, B or C aren't identical to mine'.

• both are territorial: 'i sweated blood as a member of this sex/to make it in this society - who are you to come here and demand a seat at the table'?

• both are suspicious of the reasons for transformation. 'You just want the perks of being female; you just want to look up our skirts in the toilet; you just migrated here from Guatemala for financial stability.'

• both demonize, aggressively overstating the chance that the person has or will commit a crime. (Migrants: no need to give examples, just read the news. Trans people: 'you just want access to 'our spaces'' (i.e. the spaces where women/cis women enjoy their privacy from all men, cis or trans) so you can assault us'.

• both minimize or even deny, the need for the transition: 'No child is born trans/those parents were homophobic as the kid was just gay/trans women are men with their dicks lopped off/people should stay in their home country and migration is too dangerous'.

• both hysterically fear that the trans person/migrant will corrupt innocents: 'they will indoctrinate children in school/they will spread religious fundamentalism'.

Gender critical women: ask yourself if you've been radicalized into the new right.

No way is this genuine 😂. Men in frocks are less powerful than women now. Is it the putting on of frocks that takeaway their power?

It was so predictable that the OP, who undoubtedly knew that we are all old stupid transphobic right-wing bigots before he started the thread, flounced off because we didn't agree with what he said, which proved that we are all old stupid transphobic right-wing bigots.
QED - that's probably what they come on here with their coat-trailing thread titles, to have their anti-women prejudices confirmed.

Someone way upthread wondered if this was the really, really cool thing that the TRAs promised to post on MN last week. If so it was a bit.....flaccid.

Not unlike...

Gosh, it's ages since I watched that film. Time for a revisit..

Ah you can get stand up to pee camping devices; I've never tried them personally. But if I fancied being performatively male it's the obvious place to start imho.

Jeez turn my back for FIVE minutes and wtf did I miss? Beetles in Belfast sinks, parallels? Flouncing. Men being ‘lorded over’ by those pesky bloody women again?

Fuck me. It’s like spider season came early, but instead of the scuttly big fuckers it’s the TRAs... (of course making absolute 100% sense and perfectly sane and coherent and not batshit or misogynist at all).

It’s not a bug it’s a etc etc

OP, stop thinking only of men with dysphoria in a weird way (they've not lost power of access to male loos); think of men and women with dysphoria and their needs.
They really need your help. Join us, the realists in being honest with these people.
As well as a lie, it's so cruel to tell them that they can change sex.
Come on OP, think about the truth, be part of the way foward!

What a load of horse shit.

Gender critical women: ask yourself if you've been radicalized into the new right.

No, we haven't. Hopey helpy.

There's no such thing as "gender of birth".

Gender isn't real.

We are all born wither male or female, that is sex, not gender, and no mammal has ever changed sex. If you were born male, you will die male. The end.

Gender is made up nonsense.

So yes, transitioning isn't real either, because, as per above, mammals can't change sex.

We're conceived male or female. Our sex is fixed months before birth. Fixed until the day we die.

No-one in a free society needs to enter an orgy of consumerism to buy dodgy meds and cosmetic treatments in order to qualify to wear the clothes they want to.

In many unfree societies no woman can identify out of oppression.

Sex is real, gender is illusion.

Sorry to backtrack but Ann Widdicombe has clarified "Reforms Policy" that a small minority of post op transwomen should be housed in women's prisons.

She wrote a column in GB News which I don't have access to but happened to see a Pink News article below she's quoted in.

I dislike comparisons to UK politics but she's probably about as equivalent to right wing religious conservatism as it goes in mainstream British politics.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/08/07/ann-widdecombe-woke-labour-mp-trans/

"trans people do not exist because transitioning is not possible" is the mantra here.

i should think that the many people living happy, fulfilled, productive lives as a gender they were not born into, might feel a little bit like that means you wish them gone. or you don't allow them to live in the gender of their choice. which sounds a little....fascist?

Sex and Gender are two different things, @Manfreglory.

So i'd expect very shortly then, here or elsewhere on your "fair and balanced" website, a clear message to trans men that they are fully and unequivocally welcomed into women's toilets, spas, clinics, shelters and changing rooms. It's only right ladies - they are women after all aren't they! Two x chromosomes and away you go! Thanks for your inclusivity.

You're really not getting this are you. We do not care how men choose to dress or present themselves. They can live life as they please. However, we will not go along with the fiction that they are women and welcome them into our single sex spaces.

Yes that is correct as women who identify as men are biological women.

So somebody who looks and passes as a man, and possibly has male sex organs, is invited by you to use the women's change rooms at the local pool?

Of course it's not possible.

You can't transition from male to female or vice versa because mammals can't change sex.

You can transition from "person who conforms to these stereotypes" to "person who conforms to those stereotypes" in the same way that you can transition from "person whose favourite colour is orange" to "person whose favourite colour is green", but these things are meaningless and don't have any impact on your rights or what spaces you are allowed to use.

but a trans man, fully male-looking, likely interested in women sexually, is welcomed with open arms to said single sex spaces?

For fucks sake. I'm not wasting my time could someone else please take the hit and explain how sex organs work?

They won't have male sex organs. They might have something that looks a little bit like a male sex organ, but it's not a penis.

They don't have male sex organs and they are almost certainly not getting their kit off down at the local pool.

Yes. Trans identity does not remove the need for sex specific rights.