Drag Queen on Strictly

[HelenaWaiting]

I didn't see a thread on this, and it seems to have been slipped out quietly. I'm assuming this man in woman-face will be taking the place of a female?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2025/strictly-come-dancing-la-voix#:~:text=A%20powerhouse%20of%20charisma%2C%20comedy,no%20stranger%20to%20national%20television.

You're attacking too many people you can't even keep us straight 😂 Never called you far right.

More gaslighting and DARVO. You are the one making sexist comments and offensive racist comments to a black woman. You've already had a few posts deleted. One would think you would have learned and showed some respect.

The one making attacks is you. You've made racist and misogynist attacks.

You don't dismantle oppression by erasing it's history and minimising it.

Oh the irony! You don't say...

I absolutely agree there is a lot of ground still to be made up on teens/young people and homophobia (well, not just young people), and on representation of all stripes.
And I am all for a gay man unapologetically dancing with another gay man, on mainstream telly, on a Saturday night.
I just meant that that routine seriously piled on the gay.

I think we'll have real acceptance and equality when two men do a nice quiet waltz or a fun jive together without streamers or rainbows or a soundtrack of 'I'm Coming Out'.
Again, though, I do agree with you we are not there yet.

Congratulations on being patronising 🙄

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Raimondo and Giovanni did an elegant waltz to Skyfoal-crumbbowl on Balando - sadly, no longer on YouTube but first segment below.

I think what you have on more frequently these days is the higher production/style over substance/showmanship/creating a moment/pressure now, which means that sophisticated/understated/traditional - irrespective of the sexual preference of the couples, is less evident. Except for Aljaz, who can always be relied upon to do a decent waltz, many avoid it as not being showy enough. John and Johannes did one routine out of a whole series that celebrated him being gay. The rest didn't focus on that aspect of him at all, aside from his contemporary (he did suffer from internalised homophobia growing up). But we can agree to disagree. As you know, I like and watch all of them globally, irrespective of who they are/what they do for a living. Keep dancing! <3 <3 <3

I am requesting that @ThatBlackCat and others stop attacking other women here. This is the most toxic ‘feminism’ I have ever come across and the personal abuse in shameful.I hope Mumsnet take note and act to protect the integrity of this site which I always thought was women supporting other women.

I can’t get upset about this. Strictly contestants come from the whole range of backgrounds and Drag performers are as showbiz as the other celebs. It’s not a children’s show. It’s a bit fringe to worry about this person taking a spot from a woman, I don’t think this show insists on equal numbers of male and female participants.

Lesbians are not women impersonators. That's a daft comparison to a man in womanface.

"High Camp is the whole emotional basis for ballet, for example"

Oh no it isn't.

Oh yes it is.

Sorry, thought we were doing panto now.

Agree. I guess she'd never seen a really good ballet production.

'You're not making fun of it, you're making fun out of it' – well, I'd say that about (to invoke her again) Lily Savage, but not so much Cheryl Hole, for example. Drag can be and has been one thing, but it is undeniable that it's changed and evolved, and not in a good way IMO.

I'd answer this, were it not wholly incoherent.

As far as I am aware in my long experience of dance, there are only two classical ballets in which female characters are played by male artists, one is Cinderella, and the other is La Fille Mal Gardee. The roles are what one would describe as pantomime dames and ugly sisters.

There is of course Les Ballets Trockadero de Monte Carlo, a phenomenally good comic ballet company parodying the usual conventions.

Those examples are not representative of the art of classical ballet as a whole.

Couldn't agree more.

Unfortunately the feminism here is incredibly toxic and puts many posters off. I thought engaging in this thread would be ok because it's not about trans people and all the bile that gets spewed about them but no, they're all vile here too!

If this is what people call feminism these days I want nothing to do with it.

Never have a Drag King do they

Enjoying men pretending to be caricatures of women is pretty stupid, tbh.

Pointing that out isn't misogynistic, though.

It was deliberate, for those who have the intellect to see it. 🙄

Do you really believe that presenting a wholly dishonest and one-sided summary of the debate will fool anyone, let alone the moderators? Shall we talk about the reasons why accusations of toxicity are only ever directed at contributors who are women of colour?

I am not attacking anyone, I am responding to posts. I suggest you stop attacking me. Calling feminism 'toxic' really says so much about you and your agenda. And how about you try supporting women, for once, instead of attacking us.

Women, know your place, stop having opinions about men who try to be you!
Perhaps some moderators can come along to silence you... no, thought not.
Women haven't been silenced in the UK hurrah!

If you fighting against men who mock women is 'toxic', then the misogynistic agenda here from a few posters is incredibly clear. We're against males mocking females. Males. That should be the clue to you that our problem is males. But no, you still don't get it. Anyone defending womanface needs to ask themselves some hard questions. That, is Toxic Masculinity. And it should not be defended on a feminist site. There are plenty of Mens Rights sites that attitude can be championed on.

Yes, the MRAs are so transparent in their attempt to get not just women but women of colour silenced. How dare we defend womens rights and not be on our knees for the patriarchy. Don't we know we women are just shit under the shoe of Anne Abortion and Miss Carriage?