Drag Queen on Strictly

[HelenaWaiting]

I didn't see a thread on this, and it seems to have been slipped out quietly. I'm assuming this man in woman-face will be taking the place of a female?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2025/strictly-come-dancing-la-voix#:~:text=A%20powerhouse%20of%20charisma%2C%20comedy,no%20stranger%20to%20national%20television.

What damage is being done to the world exactly by women standing up to men who parody them? @Emonade

Some men's feelings may be hurt, and Boy George will do a sadface.

I think Paul O’Grady would have been on the show, not Lily Savage. He was very clear that Savage was a character and a performance.
He was also very clear that he didn’t like the direction drag has taken in recent years; his version of it was a salute to the women in his past, whereas much of the character of it now is misogynistic and crudely sexualised.
As I’ve said already, I’ll be interested to see if it will be La Voix who is on Strictly, or her creator as himself.

Sad times.

The history of drag is rich in misogyny and homophobia. Men acted women's parts because women weren’t allowed on stage. Men dressed and presented as women because being gay was socially unacceptable.
I don’t deny that there’s a strong community and mutual support within the drag scene, which is important, but (I’m repeating myself, I know), drag currently is dominated by a very nasty strain of misogyny and crude sexualisation.

God all this far right wing bullshit pretending to be feminism blows my mind.

Oh look, more delusional gaslighting. I'm a card-carrying Labour member and left wing feminist.

Hateful misogyny the likes of which you spew is far right wing. FEMINISM, is LEFT WING. Now go back to idolising Andrew Tate.

Can you elucidate?

I agree. I will reserve judgement until I see him on the show.

They've had Craig Revel Horwood in drag. He jumped out of a cake, IIRC, and was wafting about. He looked amazing - pretty, with female make-up as opposed to drag make-up like in the pic upthread. He was very graceful too. I didn't recognise him for a minute. But I'm not keen on drag artistes generally.

Are you familiar with FWR?

It's a bold move to question the education and knowledge of women here.

We do our research. Many do know the history. They don't agree with modern day interpretations of that history though.

You are going to have to do a little better than simply scold.

Try creating an argument and debating.

Bingo!

Steady now.

The left wing has plenty of misogyny it doesn't want to take responsibility for.

Don't enable that.

@HelenaWaiting also your whole "oh because some women kind of took part in oppressing black people doesn't mean they were equal to the men" is very revealing of your point of view. Clue - feminism isn't getting an equal 50% of oppressive power off of the men, it's about dismantling oppression.

‘I also hope they don't pair him with a man just because he's gay. That seems regressive.’

Best comment so far IMHO. The Beeb seem obsessed with sex, as long as it isn’t vanilla.

Hint; you don't dismantle oppression by enabling men to mock us even if you're desperate for male approval.

That showdance was choreoed by Jason Gilkison, so I'd expect nothing less.
I still think it was important for young gay (and for some, possibly closeted) male viewers to get the chance with their mum to see a gay man unapologetically dancing with another gay man, on mainstream telly on a Saturday night.
And I don't see the issue with celebrating their sexual preference through the freedom and expression of dance. Because so many young men do not feel pride, they suffer from homophobia at school and that can become internalised homophobia.
I felt the same when Layton danced with Nikita. So many young, black men have not had that representation, not in the mainstream, not on a Saturday night.
I liked your post because I agree that sexual orientation should be unremarkable in this day and age but, in reality, in the classroom and on the playground that simply isn't true. It's getting better but we ain't there yet, where teens don't pass judgement.

Again you're equating the discomfort of western middle class white women with a drag performer with the systemic racism of American and the function blackface used in dehumanising people who were raped, lynched, murdered and enslaved men, women and children. If you genuinely can't critique it as a black woman without comparing it to literal blackface, you have some relaxing internalised racism inside of you really think women (all women) have historically been solely in the oppressed class.

I'm not desperate for male approval and I'll be reporting your post, I notice you keep personally attacking a lot of people. You don't dismantle oppression by erasing it's history and minimising it. If you thought blackface was solely about mocking in a way that the two are at all comparable, I suggest you go and reread your history books.

Again you are showing your young age and your ignorance. Women have been systemically oppressed. Males mocking us, calling us fishy, bitchy and going by the names of Anne Abortion, Miss Carriage, etc is evidence of this. Why you are on your knees for male approval only you know. But you are very deeply ill-informed of the systemic oppression and mockery of women by the oppressor sex - males. I don't know what they taught you at school, but your ignorance is really sad.

I think the truth has been half admitted in the responses.

Its a parody of women. But from an oppressed class which makes it acceptable. I'm guessing here, but if drag was seen as a tradition of working class white men on stags, there wouldnt be a rush to defend the art. Not from the same people and the bbc wouldnt be interested because it wouldnt promote DEI.

I didn't say you were, I said if a person is. You're the one making the personal attacks. You're the one that accused me of being right wing. You keep personally attacking me and others for pointing out your lack of knowledge. Instead of doubling down, you could admit that you lack knowledge and experience in this. Instead of accusing people of being 'far right wing'. Thanks for reminding me to report that post though.

@ThatBlackCat I'm not even going to respond to you, complaining about misogyny while making multiple sexist comments to any woman who disagrees with you being on her knees and making offensive racist comments too. You must be near the limit of being deleted from this thread alone with all your personal attacks. Here's hoping.