Nottingham Die-In on 16 August

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Anybody?

This movement really does feed off itself in the most unhealthy way, creating paranoia, fearfulness and division.

Ok. Generally I don’t. We are talking about the unusually high representation of people using wheelchairs at a particular event though. So wondering whether some people are misinterpreting physical symptoms as dangerous isn’t unreasonable.

I suffer a chronic illness where my body misinterprets symptoms.

Are we skirting around the possibility people have been damaged by puberty blockers or other transitioning treatments?

There was a report a while back about a group of people with disabilities who were supporting the TRA cause because it's the same struggle, society treats trans people as badly as it does disabled people, both groups denied human rights, or something similar..

So their might be a group of similarly-minded disabled activists who join trans protests as a gesture of solidarity?

I'm loathe to cast doubt on the authenticity of someone's disability, but there is something undermining and worrying about trans people using accessible toilets 'because they have no choice since the SC ruling' - remember this back in April?

Ms Marsh said Ely Pride has sourced radar keys that enable access to public disabled loos, with a view to hand them out to any members of the trans community who need them at a demonstration in the city on Monday – and to roll the initiative out nationally, with conversations already ongoing with UK-wide groups, such as the UK Women’s March, for which Ms Marsh is city lead.
Trans woman to hand out disabled toilet keys as ‘emergency measure’ after Supreme Court ruling | The Independent

As a disabled person, I feel torn between thinking 'How dare anyone suggest to a disabled person that their disability isn't real? and 'How dare trans people appropriate the identity, and the hard-won accessible facilities, of disabled people?

It's ableist to question the authenticity of someone's disability, but it's also disgracefully ableist for able-bodied trans people to mis-use the Radar key system and give themselves the right to used accessible facilities which they do not need.

I don't know what to think

jeez, I hadn't heard about the radar keys. it's very on brand for trans folx I guess.

My views on grifters using RADAR keys are utterly utterly unprintable

Mine too.

I should imagine there was quite a lot of performative whinging about how they're all victims being genocided, or some such.

I noticed the number of wheelchairs - I counted six and one walking stick user. The intersection between disabled people and trans people does seem to be quite wide. Are they vulnerable because they are trans, or are they trans because they are vulnerable?

These days you can almost guarantee that anyone wearing a face mask in public is a trans supporter whose commitment to the cause doesn’t include being identified.

So very moving. I am underwhelmed, sorry, overwhelmed.

Dozens. So at least 24 people.

Just been taking a good look at the photo. Just - wow. When there are children in various parts of the world dying of starvation or being shot at while queuing for bags of flour when they’re starving or body bags of entire family members being lined up outside hospitals - ACTUAL DEAD PEOPLE AND CHILDREN - this is one hell of a sick stunt pulled by the most narcissistic group of young people imaginable. Gobsmacked/sickened.

Re radar keys, I was on the staff accommodation committee at work which dealt with allocting offices, PhD and researcher desks, lab space etc. One recurring item was the contant state of the ladies bogs, which were used by students and staff in our department. One bright idea, suggested by a gay man, was to give all female staff a radar key for the one disabled cubicle. He couldn't see why the rest of us didn't think this was a solution.

I think it may also just be other people drawn in to show solidarity? There is so much scaremongering that if you allow trans 'rights' to be challenged then other rights will be attacked next, and people who are vulnerable in one way or another may be motivated to #bekind to the MOST VULNERABLE GROUP IN SOCIETY.

Here is a link to an archive version of the Pink News article for those who don't want to give them the clicks.

https://archive.ph/d5C76

The slogan "trans rights are human rights" is used because, last century, "Women's rights are human rights" was a phrased activists used.
And this is a movement that is nothing but an ersatz pastiche of previous human rights movements.
Ironically enough, the point of the phrase "Women's rights are human rights" is to highlight the difference between women's rights and minority rights.
(It's not that minority rights don't matter - just that women aren't a minority and we only seemed like a minority because we were so excluded from the public conversation - I don't know if that holds true so much any more - you'd hear (male) politicians use phrases like "women and other minorities" back in the day).

I’ve heard ‘women & marginalised genders’

There was the notorious “non men” of the Green Party.

There’s already signs up in some shops and restaurants in Nottingham saying they won’t adhere to single sex toilets and changing rooms. There’s one in the window of Lucy and Yak.

Lucy and Yak oh dear

You couldn’t pay me to look like an overfed toddler who’s rifled through her / his / they / them’s nan’s wardrobe from the early 70s so not much lost there.

And weirdly enough every culture has the same definition for millennia 🤷🏼‍♀️

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People who wear Lucy and Yak are just the sort to hold luxury beliefs

Yes they do have the same human rights as everyone else but they want extra rights and to remove the rights of women.

I saw them at The Riverside in 1990! Great gig.

I think I've missed the point of this protest.

Why are trans people dying?