Nottingham Die-In on 16 August

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Anybody?

This movement really does feed off itself in the most unhealthy way, creating paranoia, fearfulness and division.

The "trans rights are human rights" slogan really annoys me. What does it even mean? Nobody is saying trans people don't have human rights. They have the same human rights as everyone else.

Silent but seen.

If they were lying on the toilet floor behind private, full height doors (the design the Good Law Project appear to want), no one would see them ‘dying’.

Everyone is safer when going to the single sex toilets of their sex, because then the designs can have the life-saving floor-door gaps to alert someone there’s a medical emergency.

Ironically they are campaigning for loo designs that will contribute to more preventable deaths.

Surprisingly large number of wheelchair users there. I momentarily thought they were prams.

The write up talks about how the decision of the SC doesn’t include trans people- but the issue surely is that it does! By sex!

What an odd thing to do. Anyway, Im pleased to see no shrouds apart from the odd pink and blue flag. Shrouds really would have been offensive.

I've been busy.

I noticed that, too. There were, at a rough estimate from the Prick News photos, about 50 people protesting, with at least 5 wheelchair users. That's surely a much higher incidence than in the general population? And yet we are told that pharmaceutical and surgical "treatments" for trans folx are absolutely safe, nothing but a boon to the people who undertake them. Didn't look like it from that sample at least.

Oh my days. The bathos is wonderful.

(Sorry, that was responding to @myplace's observation about the number of wheelchairs on show at the "protest"..)

Re. wheelchairs. I read an article by Helen Joyce the other day in the Critic. This has reminded me of it

https://thecritic.co.uk/children-of-the-revolution/

It could be people harmed by 'gender affirming care' or it could be this

One sign of this is that social media has become a vector for once-rare mental and physical conditions. The craze for identifying as trans is just one example. Others include multiple personality disorder; functional movement disorder (“ticcing”); and postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, or pots — a tendency to severe dizziness upon standing that is the reason increasing numbers of young people on omnicause protests now sport walking sticks.

Or it could be a combination of things or something else entirely.

Keir Starmer is possibly the least convincing grim reaper character mask that I can think of.

A friend’s autistic DD was struggling with her health before they heard of POTS. She had bedbound days when she’d collapse, but no apparent reason for it. Lots of GP involvement.

She identified the name for it from TikTok, but had it before.

All the comorbidities are there, though.

Someone posted the literature they used on X. Still going on about genital inspections etc.

Apparently, ‘It is our culture that describes what a woman is …’ 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yes, it is our culture which defines what a woman is and it tends towards the general definition, sorry lads.

I also noticed the disproportionate number of disabled young people. I really hope it's not because of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones.

I had POTS as a teenager and young adult. It happens on standing as your blood pressure plummets. It corrects itself though after a minute or 2. I wouldn't have thought you'd need a stick to get around because of it.

Do they “die” quietly or is there some performative preamble before they lie down and get tucked up in pink and blue blankets?

Just wondering if there was any scope interpretive dance and choreography…..maybe some tambourines?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

"Speaking to PinkNews at the protest, Anna – the longest-serving leader of Nottingham Against Transphobia – said the group wanted to hold the demonstration as “rapid reaction” to the EHRC guidance leaks.

“Up until this point they have pretended it is for safety but when it is [about] not having trans women in the men’s spaces, they are just trying to push us out of society. Exactly the same as the Nazis did all those years ago,” she said."

Every time. Sickening.

On the disability thing, I knew a very severely disabled (from birth) young person- able to do very little independently, requiring a very high level of care - who had adopted a trans identity and was taking female hormones. It seemed clear to me that this young person could control so little about their own body, that "trans" was one thing they could exert some control over. It was really sad.

What a shower. Would be funny if some women's rights activists took advantage of them being quiet for once to have their say.

They won't though, because unlike the trans crowd, women tend to leave other people to get on with their events in peace.

😂😂😂😂

L7 were a riot, weren't they?

I noticed the large number of wheelchair users, now surely they would be accessing the single occupancy, completely gender neutral, accessible toilets and have been for some time so why are they protesting that they cannot access single sex toilets for the opposite sex to them?

So perhaps it’s an extraordinary lack of resilience? That wave of lightheadedness feels overwhelming and dangerous and instead of riding it out they accept it as life limiting and disabling and take to bed/wheelchairs?

No. POTS is a debilitating medical condition. The inappropriately high increase in heart rate when standing is medically observable (as is the inappropriate drop in blood pressure when this is present too). Not everyone with POTS uses a wheelchair or stick but it helps some people. It's really not helpful to make generalisations that disabled people need to just try harder to not be disabled.