Men are pushing women over in the street - as a trend

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Experts fear that new types of misogyny and harassment – including spitting and pushing women over – are taking hold in the UK as they move offline

This type of targeted shoulder barging has a name: butsukari otoko. The term, which originated on the streets of Japan in 2018, describes a type of violence against women that is done in a crowded public space, most commonly train stations.

It could at first appear accidental, but it is actually intentional; it is gendered (men doing it to women), and done for misogynistic reasons.

Researchers fear it is gaining traction in the UK, spreading from online videos to real-life encounters. “It’s come out of a subculture that existed years ago in Japan,” says Megan Hughes, a researcher at the Alan Turing Institute’s Centre for Emerging Technology and Security, which tracks online extremism. “It is something that’s been around for a long time, and people are now recognising it and are speaking out, but it’s a really difficult thing to track.

“They are sometimes subtle collisions, which are designed to appear accidental. They’re making victims second-guess intent or motive, and that then makes it really difficult for people wanting to report a crime. So it’s really hard for us to monitor.”

Street harassment isn’t new, but many believe it’s getting worse. A poll by Zencity, which surveyed 1600 women, found that 69 per cent said they had first or secondhand experience of women being ill-treated within the last 12 months; 75 per cent of women surveyed said violence and harassment was a serious problem and asked whether it had got worse in the last five years – 42 per cent agreed, and 30 per cent thought it was the same.

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It’s not just men doing it to women sadly. I have had a few incidents with young women who appear to despise harmless women in their 50s

The world has gone mad. It’s the justice system. People are doing things and there’s no consequences.

Spot on, here is where the problem lies. People can do whatever they want these days as there is little or no consequences. Prisoners who committed serious crimes are released early. There’s not enough prisons for criminals. What message does that send out to people other than you can get away with pretty much anything.

Why do men behave like it? What excuse do they give? Is it because mummy didn’t love them enough? Do they conveniently forget that they wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for a woman giving birth to them? Do they have sisters, aunts, wives, daughters? How would they feel if they received the same appalling treatment?

These men and women forget that they are going to get older and vulnerable themselves. They might get a taste of their own medicine one day especially with the way this world is going.

Exactly. Quite ironic that the TRA actually used the word “bashing” (for women speaking, not for men physically assaulting us) without any embarrassment. They really are determined to reverse reality.

I've just remembered an incident that happened to a work colleague around 20 years ago.
She'd propped her bike up against a corner shop one evening and popped inside for a couple of bits. When she came out a few minutes later a man passing by squared up to her, told her she shouldn't have left her bike there, then punched her in the stomach. Luckily she was still able to get on her bike and ride away quickly. He was nothing to do with the shop, just another man looking for a woman to assault.

Of course some women do this too, but nowhere near as often in my experience. Plus, I've never had verbal, often sexualised, insults from a woman, nor the muttering etc. Men are also almost always larger and taller than women, so the level of threat and aggression is on an entirely different scale.

That’s not my point. Nobody should be doing it so “ men do it more often” doesn’t appease me . And a woman or women can be just as physically dangerous depending on the circumstances . This isn’t about showing who is worse for doing xyz. It’s abominable behaviour that

You cannot deny that it is male people who tend to be the more obvious, overt aggressors.......and who have physical advantage over female people in such a way that a female person has every reason to feel intimidated .Males are also sexually predatory in away that females are not; tend to be the voyeurs, flashers, pornography consumers and fetishists.

We have boundaries in certain types of intimate situation due to these generalised differences and tendencies.

If you've ever been attacked by both a man and a woman then you would surely know the differnce in potential.

On the jubilee line in London yesterday a man kicked me in the shins with his work boots as he got up from his seat next to me. I kept replaying it in my head to work out if it could have been accidental - even if he was the world’s clumsiest workman it just couldn’t have been. I was took shocked to call him out I just yelped in pain 😢 so sad to read these stories on here.

Yes, men do it but I have only ever had this done to me by women.
most usually when at work, in full view of others.
Nothing was ever said either by me or onlookers and I never report to managers as often as not they saw and did nothing.

I wasn't trying to appease you or any of the posters who've stated that women can do this too. I didn't quote you. I acknowledged that they can, but I have never had sexual/misogynistic comments/threats from a woman, but have had from men on a number of occasions when out in public. And no woman had ever muttered insults at me.

As for "depending on the circumstances", well, there you have it. The fact is that men are almost always taller, bigger etc (I'm 5ft 2in) and physically stronger, so the threat is obviously greater. Add to that the sexual component which makes these incidents much more upsetting and worrying to me.

And of course it's about who does it more, because if men do this more often than women do, that in itself means more victims of male aggression than of female aggression.

Yes, men do it but I have only ever had this done to me by women.
most usually when at work, in full view of others.
Nothing was ever said either by me or onlookers and I never report to managers as often as not they saw and did nothing.

Im not denying that though. I’m saying don’t minimise the threat of women either.

@Nchangeoi have had a couple of similar incidents in the last few years. I just put it down to to poor width perception, at least partly on my part. However, perhaps not.

Have you ever been hit by a man? There is considerable difference in strength and impact...which is why we also have single sex categiories in sport, and especially in contact sports or martial arts.

What a crass remark and extremely patronising. I’m not going to explain why being threatened to be pushed under a train by a woman was frightening for me

20+ years ago, a teenage male pupil punched me in the stomach when I was pregnant but not visibly so. I miscarried the next day.

I was interviewed by police, but didn't mention the pregnancy - I had no proof, since I hadn't yet seen my GP and I didn't want the boy being racked with guilt. Ha!

Some years later, this now adult male was boasting about the assault to a newer cohort of pupils. I found this interesting, since he'd gone on to assault two male teachers who had come to my assistance - he hadn't mentioned that at all.

NB I wasn't even the boy's teacher. He'd chased another boy into my room at break.

Word for word, the same. Except his abuse had caused my back to be in constant extruciating pain so he'd have considered that a double win with every connection. Fucking pathetic.

Sure as dammit, if we carried and used tasers or similar on these fuckers, who are actively attempting to harm us, something would be done about that immediately. Books thrown, the lot 🙄

Id push them back, no qualms about it

I did say that it wasn't any better. Read my post.

Any normal person would say oh sorry or some such. Even if not their fault it’s the British way. I actually think it was on purpose in hindsight.

Seriously?! Wheres that fucking laughing emoji again!

Yes, men being violent against women is such a laughing matter.
🙄

It’s not remotely funny that some women’s experience of men is such that they form this view.

It’s just shitty if any of us who’ve been luckier laugh at them rather than having some empathy and understanding.

I'm not sure what is crass about asking if you had ever been hit by a man? If you had been, then you'd certainly know the difference between that and being hit by a woman.

You seem to be trying to draw some equivalence between male and female pattern violence where non really exists. Of course women can be unpleasant, and in your case even murderous by trying to push other people under trains.....but the point about men is that they are male and so are excluded from female only spaces for all of the reasons already touched upon, and because women have vulnerabilities due to greater male physical strength and size.

That women can be mean and horrible to other women is of no real consequence to the generalised differences betweeen males and females which form the basis for why we have single sex services, spaces and categories, and are the reason that being shoulder barged by a man in the street is very threatening.