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Men are pushing women over in the street - as a trend

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IwantToRetire · 12/08/2025 16:56

Experts fear that new types of misogyny and harassment – including spitting and pushing women over – are taking hold in the UK as they move offline

This type of targeted shoulder barging has a name: butsukari otoko. The term, which originated on the streets of Japan in 2018, describes a type of violence against women that is done in a crowded public space, most commonly train stations.

It could at first appear accidental, but it is actually intentional; it is gendered (men doing it to women), and done for misogynistic reasons.

Researchers fear it is gaining traction in the UK, spreading from online videos to real-life encounters. “It’s come out of a subculture that existed years ago in Japan,” says Megan Hughes, a researcher at the Alan Turing Institute’s Centre for Emerging Technology and Security, which tracks online extremism. “It is something that’s been around for a long time, and people are now recognising it and are speaking out, but it’s a really difficult thing to track.

“They are sometimes subtle collisions, which are designed to appear accidental. They’re making victims second-guess intent or motive, and that then makes it really difficult for people wanting to report a crime. So it’s really hard for us to monitor.”

Street harassment isn’t new, but many believe it’s getting worse. A poll by Zencity, which surveyed 1600 women, found that 69 per cent said they had first or secondhand experience of women being ill-treated within the last 12 months; 75 per cent of women surveyed said violence and harassment was a serious problem and asked whether it had got worse in the last five years – 42 per cent agreed, and 30 per cent thought it was the same.

Article continues at https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/men-pushing-over-women-street-trend-3845874?srsltid=AfmBOoq29csw2CYnH2QwNMgW8lX9zoYcwXTwbx8cTQP2Fr1LzvR33aT5

And https://archive.is/GMI7T

Men are pushing over women in the street as a trend – it happened to me

Experts fear that new types of misogyny and harassment – including spitting and pushing women over – are taking hold in the UK as they move offline

https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/men-pushing-over-women-street-trend-3845874?srsltid=AfmBOoq29csw2CYnH2QwNMgW8lX9zoYcwXTwbx8cTQP2Fr1LzvR33aT5

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SnowFrogJelly · 13/08/2025 01:06

IwantToRetire · 12/08/2025 18:44

Absolutely. And not unlike TRAs feel they have this very special halo of rightness as they are so green they can do whatever they want.

On the pavement.

On a pedestrian crossing.

This thread is another excuse for some man and TRA bashing

Milliejacksonhouseforsale · 13/08/2025 01:08

The targeting of women is strange I don't know how these men are brought up.
My mum and dad instilled manners in me from a young age, give up seat on bus , please thank you in shops etc.

GarlicLitre · 13/08/2025 01:13

cheesycheesy · 12/08/2025 23:32

I’ve found the majority of angry men tend to be middle aged or older too. I haven’t noticed it much along younger men/teenagers.

My most recent one was a tall, athletic young man. Well-groomed, appeared sober and had a posh voice - so none of the usual mitigations apply. In a wide-open pedestrian space in sleepy Hereford, he charged into me from the side. I stumbled but kept my footing, so he decided to Tell Me Off ... for being in his way. I said something about there being plenty of space; he marched off, throwing a tirade of 'awful old woman' abuse over his shoulder.

Just so weird. He really seemed to hate me!

I also had this in the late '90s, early '00s in the City and Canary Wharf. All young, fit men, who may have been stressed but certainly not underprivileged. That's what started me playing patriarchy chicken.

WearyAuldWumman · 13/08/2025 01:17

PandoraRing · 12/08/2025 18:26

I'm getting the same vibes from the super hard core lycra bike men.

A young man came at me on an actual scooter a few hours ago, as I was coming out the door at the gym. He was actually heading his scooter straight at the door and made a comment which suggested that I was supposed to jump out of the way to let him ride into the gym. Bizarre.

Milliejacksonhouseforsale · 13/08/2025 01:18

My Mum has told me of incidents where she's experienced intimidating behaviour from teen males that's left her frightened.
She's a small woman of 80.
There's really no need.

NikKai · 13/08/2025 02:07

WannabeEDIOfficer · 12/08/2025 19:04

My mum is slow and walks with a stick. Recently, there have been bus drivers who have started moving before she his seated and a general lack of curtesy, it has been upsetting to witness.

There has also been two lovely young men who helped her with a suitcase after a long distance train journey. But, I am afraid this is more of the exception.

This happened to me with my two year old the other day. My poor boy flew across the bus and was inches from smashing his head into the metal pole. Bus driver didn't say a word. Not a sorry, not is he ok, nothing. It happened weeks ago too getting off. The driver gave us 2 seconds before he just drove off and my baby who was walking down the bus flew down the stairs. Though in fairness that driver was incredibly apologetic so a genuine accident. Just because he is 2 doesn't mean he doesnt have the right to learn to use the bus and sit on a seat. Just like the elderly, he just takes a tiny bit longer. It sickens me they do it to those too, the elderly and disabled. Never seems to be women drivers doing it and we have a few of those here

DrPrunesqualer · 13/08/2025 03:19

unsync · 12/08/2025 21:44

My mother said to carry a metal ended tail comb in public. She said it came in useful against the frotters, but I can imagine it would work well in other scenarios too.

Keys between your fingers was the advice from the police at a works safety event

TheGreatWesternShrew · 13/08/2025 03:53

rubberduck22 · 12/08/2025 22:00

I can’t believe it’s illegal for women or anyone to carry pepper spray in the Uk! It’s harmless but can make a difference. Especially with all that you can see going on at the minute!

It’s not harmless. The government doesn’t want criminals using it to harm people - teenagers possing about or these barging men spraying it into women’s eyes to hurt them or so they can grab them.

Not only victims would carry it.

Springtimehere · 13/08/2025 03:57

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Plasticwaste · 13/08/2025 04:14

WearyAuldWumman · 13/08/2025 01:17

A young man came at me on an actual scooter a few hours ago, as I was coming out the door at the gym. He was actually heading his scooter straight at the door and made a comment which suggested that I was supposed to jump out of the way to let him ride into the gym. Bizarre.

Snap! Was out for a run in the park today and a group of teenage boys were whizzing about on e-scooters. They came aiming straight for me then veered off at the last second, shouting at me as if I was the one who should have moved out the way.

I ignored them the whole time. Sad, really, that stupid incidents from men are so commonplace that I literally only remembered it when reading this thread.

unsync · 13/08/2025 05:57

DrPrunesqualer · 13/08/2025 03:19

Keys between your fingers was the advice from the police at a works safety event

That's what I do. As a short haired person, I don't own any combs or brushes.

It shows how men's behaviour has been a problem for a long while. This was already an established method of defence when my mother was a young woman in the 1940s. It's depressing that there's no change.

FrogOfFrogHall · 13/08/2025 06:03

I was pushed off a path by a man about 20 years ago. And I have never forgotten it. Was passing a man on a pretty isolated path and tried to move to one side but he moved to the same side, swapped sides as he did, this happened a few times I thought it was accidental like when you do that little dance trying to pass each other. Then he suddenly gave me a really hard two handed push off the path and into a bush. It was pretty scary because I was expecting him to follow up with a full blown attack but he looked at me with utter hatred and walked off. I was so confused thinking I must have done something to annoy him but reading this I now think maybe he was deliberately trying to crash into me the whole time.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/08/2025 07:42

Milliejacksonhouseforsale · 13/08/2025 01:08

The targeting of women is strange I don't know how these men are brought up.
My mum and dad instilled manners in me from a young age, give up seat on bus , please thank you in shops etc.

It is displaced aggression......inner feelings of anger and rage finding a convenient target in a public situation of general anonymity.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/08/2025 07:45

SnowFrogJelly · 13/08/2025 01:06

This thread is another excuse for some man and TRA bashing

I suggest, rather, it is bringing to light a growing trend.

ThePinkPoster · 13/08/2025 07:47

porridgecake · 12/08/2025 17:06

The jogger who tried to push a woman under a bus on Putney Bridge was never found. It is only a matter of time before a woman is killed by this.

I absolutely do not believe that NOBODY knows who that jogger is. I’m no conspiracy theorist but I suspect he must be “someone”.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/08/2025 07:55

Kibble19 · 12/08/2025 19:41

There’s a good chance that I’d end up hurt or killed if this happened to me because I’d end up pushing back. I don’t know what it is in me, but I don’t think I’d be able to just walk away. So I’d probably genuinely get done in by the guy.

Yes, be careful! I'm the same if someone behaves in an unjust or ugly way...it really gets my heckles up and I go after them.........but:

As I was inching slowly out of my drive in my car a few weeks ago......a young male on a bicycle ( who was way up the road and had plenty of time to slow down) took issue with me impeding his progress, at speed, through the traffic lights...and starting calling me a " fucking cunt" and threatened to punch me.

He sped through the lights anyway.....and my sense of boiling injustice just got the better of me and I went after him down the road......as I approached him I opened ny window and said something alomng the lines of " who do you think you are I was just coming out of my drive". He again threatend to punch me, uttered more swear words, called me a " slag" and then slammed my wing mirror, breaking it off entirely. He then smashed the other one too before cycling off at speed.

I could not drive the car for days unril i had ordered new wing mirrors and had them fitted. Without an obvious name or identifier the police could do nothing, although it was recorded as a crime ( two actually). One for criminal damage, and the other for issuing threats. He shouted out as he cycled off that he " knew where I lived".

Best not to get involved with violent, angry men...they don't care that you are female or older at all. Being in cars or on bicycles at speed seems to bring out the aggressive instincts in people, or certainly facilitates them, anyway

Lafufufu · 13/08/2025 07:57

porridgecake · 12/08/2025 17:06

The jogger who tried to push a woman under a bus on Putney Bridge was never found. It is only a matter of time before a woman is killed by this.

I was thinking about this the other day.
There was no way NO ONE recognised that fucker.

My theory is he got a job transfer and pissed off to NYC or singapore.

A man intentionally tried to run me I've last year because I was half way across the road when he came speeding down it and i continued to cross.
He then emergency breaker AFTER he'd passed me and sat there revving his engine.

Just another deranged angry man looking to take their anger out on women/ people with less power than themselves

Roystonv · 13/08/2025 07:58

Whilst a pp talks about respect being taught early on we all know that it will be us stepping out of the way when hoards of kids are walking home from school. Not the same I know but some will be doing it to intimidate whether it's because we are a woman or aging

GoBackToTheStart · 13/08/2025 08:00

SnowFrogJelly · 13/08/2025 01:06

This thread is another excuse for some man and TRA bashing

Of course. Women gathering to discussing being injured and scared by men intentionally is absolutely just “bashing” the perpetrators of persistent low-level crime.

Yet again, women using words is actual violence but men using violence is just A-Ok.

user9637 · 13/08/2025 08:05

Gosh this happened to me while walking with my toddler a couple months ago. I didn’t know it was a thing. WTF

I sent a tonne of expletives at him - he just ran off like nothing happened

LeftieRightsHoarder · 13/08/2025 08:05

Sundaybananas · 12/08/2025 18:54

Oh don’t be so bloody ridiculous!

Not ridiculous at all. I have experienced the same, and more often seen it. As Germaine Greer said decades ago, women have no idea how much men hate them. They used to have to hide it a bit. Luckily not all men, but it doesn’t take many to pose a real threat.

Inshockandsome · 13/08/2025 08:14

I have had this with a cyclist, coming into a coffee shop. He was so unnaturally angry for no good reason. He was mid 50s.
I pulled him up immediately and asked him if he treats his mother or wife with this level of disrespect. He looked startled that I had drawn attention to him very loudly and publicly. He mumbled something incoherent and I reminded him that he should be treating all women with respect.

You call out this behaviour. Loudly and publicly. If it is safe to do so, depending on your location and the perpetrator.

’ I will contact the police if you do that again’

’You just barged into me, please apologise’

’Are you aware that you have just committed a criminal offence?’

It is assault. There are cameras everywhere so my advice is to speak up. Don’t become intimidated, this will only embolden them. They are nasty little bullies.

FannyCann · 13/08/2025 08:20

A man intentionally tried to run me I've last year because I was half way across the road when he came speeding down it and i continued to cross.
He then emergency breaker AFTER he'd passed me and sat there revving his engine.

Similar happened to me. Crossing a road where there’s an island in the middle and traffic lights, but no crossing lights on the second part. Traffic was stationary as I started crossing from the island and suddenly this man in his Range Rover accelerated hard towards me. I had to run to get out of the way. I don’t believe he could have stopped accelerating and braked in time if I had tripped and fallen. Would he still have done it if I was visibly elderly/hobbling along with a stick?
I put it down to antisocial driving. Is there more behind this sort of behaviour? I was just bemused - why drive like that?

Inshockandsome · 13/08/2025 08:29

FannyCann · 13/08/2025 08:20

A man intentionally tried to run me I've last year because I was half way across the road when he came speeding down it and i continued to cross.
He then emergency breaker AFTER he'd passed me and sat there revving his engine.

Similar happened to me. Crossing a road where there’s an island in the middle and traffic lights, but no crossing lights on the second part. Traffic was stationary as I started crossing from the island and suddenly this man in his Range Rover accelerated hard towards me. I had to run to get out of the way. I don’t believe he could have stopped accelerating and braked in time if I had tripped and fallen. Would he still have done it if I was visibly elderly/hobbling along with a stick?
I put it down to antisocial driving. Is there more behind this sort of behaviour? I was just bemused - why drive like that?

Odd decision, as he will be locked up for years dangerous driving is taken very seriously now. He can kiss goodbye to his Range Rover and his life.

Mabiscuit · 13/08/2025 09:23

A man ran up from behind, punched me hard in the back, and ran away but that was 20+ years ago. I was with a male friend which didn't help to deter him. It seems to be more prevalent now.

More recently, I felt extreme vulnerability Id never experience before when a man was pushed by their friend into me. I was pregnant but not obviously.