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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Nicola Sturgeon says her sexuality isn't binary

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cigarsmokingwoman · 08/08/2025 18:55

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In the sun newspaper and I think also on STV news (according to my DM)

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ArabellaScott · 10/08/2025 11:41

SageHoney · 10/08/2025 11:18

Honestly, no, I don't hold out much hope that she will ever be honest. But I wish she would, because I really want to explore and understand how women in power too often turn against and advocate against women's interests.

Outside of politics in everyday life, I think I often look at the pickme/handmaiden archetype and think that individual women do it to be sexually attractive to men, but we don't fully explore how it works in the public sphere including politics. I feel like "successful" women politicians are especially pressured to stand up against women's rights (and for men's desires, in cases where they broadly conflict). I'm also hopeful for a Jacinda Ardern tell-all that will probably never come.

Interesting that Alex Massie (with whom I often disagree) titles his piece "By the standard she asked to be held to, Nicola Sturgeon is a failure". I saw a thread on Scotsnet asking if people will buy/read the book, and a man someone of course showed up and did a dance about "SOOOOO strange that people HERE denigrate the most successful woman in UK politics this century". But she was NOT successful; she did not achieve Scottish independence and she did not, as she promised, stop Scotland from being "taken out of the EU against the will and without the consent of the Scottish people".

I think that women are treated differently from men in politics, and I think that Sturgeon was under a lot more pressure than Salmond or Yousaf or Swinney to prove that she was not going to demand equality for women. If there are extra social conditions on women politicians to prove they are supporting the status quo and will not demand genuine equity for women, I don't want this to translate into a cultural directive that "we don't allow women to hold top office because they'll be abused and not able to act fairly". I wish Nicola would talk honestly about her experience so we can learn from it, but I also know that she may never do so.

(edited because I can't spell)

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She was successful in that she made a name for herself in history, gave the appearance of ability, and will have made a fair amount of money.

Not sure how she'll adjust to the loss of power - the book will be an attempt to further control the narrative.

Her legacy is the Baby Box and a slickening of politics in Scotland- she was good at handling image and message, for a time, but the country has been left stagnant, shabby, and fractious.

Independence is lost, for a generation I expect.

ArabellaScott · 10/08/2025 11:47

'All those warm words and noble ambitions were all for show, a lot of shiny bluster signifying absolutely nothing.'

Massie about sums it up.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 10/08/2025 11:53

I will never ever forget Nicola Sturgeon standing up in Holyrood and defending plans to cut the bottom off all the doors on Scottish schools. 🙈

It was like something from the thick of it. Like someone suggested it as a piss take and she just ran with it. 😂

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 10/08/2025 11:54

ArabellaScott · 10/08/2025 11:47

'All those warm words and noble ambitions were all for show, a lot of shiny bluster signifying absolutely nothing.'

Massie about sums it up.

Massive is a fantastic writer.

ApocalipstickNow · 10/08/2025 12:28

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 10/08/2025 11:53

I will never ever forget Nicola Sturgeon standing up in Holyrood and defending plans to cut the bottom off all the doors on Scottish schools. 🙈

It was like something from the thick of it. Like someone suggested it as a piss take and she just ran with it. 😂

What on earth was this supposed to be for?

SionnachRuadh · 10/08/2025 12:39

I swear the civil service could have got Sturgeon to say anything, no matter how ridiculous, by telling her "this will make you look competent and businesslike".

And having said the thing, she'd just double down under questioning.

Makes me wonder if certain Scotgov policies were just the result of some official playing the buck eejit.

Igneococcus · 10/08/2025 12:45

ApocalipstickNow · 10/08/2025 12:28

What on earth was this supposed to be for?

Improve ventilation so virus numbers wouldn't get to high in classrooms (at least I think that is what it was meant to achiwve)

ArabellaScott · 10/08/2025 12:55
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Yes, it was a covid/ventilation measure.

MelOfTheRoses · 10/08/2025 12:59
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Presumably no one did it? 😬

ArabellaScott · 10/08/2025 13:15

No, it was pointed out quite firmly that it was absolutely batshit.

ArabellaScott · 10/08/2025 13:16

I've finally read that bloody quote, anyway.

'“Long-term relationships with men,” I quote — and as I do, she starts to chuckle — “have accounted for more than 30 years of my life, but I have never considered sexuality, my own included, to be binary.” '

The quote is actually very pertinent to NS' actions. She's not (just) talking about her own sexuality; she's talking about sexuality itself.

This means, I assume, that she believes everyone is bisexual? She doesn't believe in heterosexuality or homosexuality, but in universal bisexuality. It's a view I've heard before, but not one that many politicians will openly admit to.

ArabellaScott · 10/08/2025 13:18

"It’s not a big revelation or an attempt to put a label on myself.” She sounds very relaxed. “It’s just a statement of how I see the world in that respect.”

This may explain why she doesn't understand lesbians who wish to exclude males from their prospective partners and the definition of lesbian.

lechiffre55 · 10/08/2025 13:28

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 10/08/2025 11:53

I will never ever forget Nicola Sturgeon standing up in Holyrood and defending plans to cut the bottom off all the doors on Scottish schools. 🙈

It was like something from the thick of it. Like someone suggested it as a piss take and she just ran with it. 😂

I'd never heard about that before.
Batshit crazy.
Armando Iannucci would never have written that into The Thick Of It, it would have been way too stupid to be plausible.
Why not just sacrifice small furry animals to the sun god Ra? Just as effective.

Waitwhat23 · 10/08/2025 13:35

ArabellaScott · 10/08/2025 13:15

No, it was pointed out quite firmly that it was absolutely batshit.

In case anyone thinks it was a fever dream -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-60246163.amp

The Fire Brigades Union said 'eh, hang on. What about fire safety?' and it sort of tailed off.

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'Common sense' to cut classroom doors to curb Covid - BBC News

Nicola Sturgeon defends plans to cut the bottom off some classroom doors to improve air flow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-60246163.amp

SionnachRuadh · 10/08/2025 14:37

This means, I assume, that she believes everyone is bisexual? She doesn't believe in heterosexuality or homosexuality, but in universal bisexuality. It's a view I've heard before, but not one that many politicians will openly admit to.

Ken Livingstone said it in the 1980s, but Ken Livingstone said lots of wild stuff in the 1980s and indeed subsequently.

KassandraOfSparta · 10/08/2025 15:26

Oh there were a lot of batshit crazy things in Covid times, mostly arising out of Sturgeon's aim to be "not Boris" and do things differently to England.

Off the top of my head - and tbh I've tried to erase it from memory as it was such an awful time - things like:

And that's just the silly stuff - she was also totally in favour of kids being in school 25% - 30% of the time between Aug 2020 and June 2021, until she realised she was faced with a high number of revolting parents. Not allowed to cross your county boundary, irrespective of whether you stay in a tiny wee local authority like mine, or the Highlands which covers half hte country. Cop 26 allowed to go ahead in Glasgow with Sturgeon (mask-less) merrily taking selfies with half the delegates, leading to #ElsieMcSelfie trending on social media. Sturgeon caught on camera (maskless) socialising at a funeral, which was banned.

Scotland bars alcohol sales indoors in pubs, restaurants and cafes

The restrictions will come into force from 6pm on October 9

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/scotland-no-alcohol-pubs-bars-restaurants-coronavirus-a4565671.html

Arran2024 · 10/08/2025 16:49

KassandraOfSparta · 10/08/2025 15:26

Oh there were a lot of batshit crazy things in Covid times, mostly arising out of Sturgeon's aim to be "not Boris" and do things differently to England.

Off the top of my head - and tbh I've tried to erase it from memory as it was such an awful time - things like:

And that's just the silly stuff - she was also totally in favour of kids being in school 25% - 30% of the time between Aug 2020 and June 2021, until she realised she was faced with a high number of revolting parents. Not allowed to cross your county boundary, irrespective of whether you stay in a tiny wee local authority like mine, or the Highlands which covers half hte country. Cop 26 allowed to go ahead in Glasgow with Sturgeon (mask-less) merrily taking selfies with half the delegates, leading to #ElsieMcSelfie trending on social media. Sturgeon caught on camera (maskless) socialising at a funeral, which was banned.

I'm Scottish but live in England and when we could travel we came up to see my parents and the differences in covid rules in Scotland versus England were bizarre and confusing. My brother is am SNP diehard and every difference was a cause for celebration, a case of the Scottish government doing it better. He was on a roll, thinking that independence would surely follow now that the superiority of local decision making had been made clear. And yet....

Cottagecheeseisnotcheese · 10/08/2025 18:02

Yes seriously about cutting bottoms off doors for ventilation instead of just opening said door,

ArabellaScott · 10/08/2025 20:44

'She even suggests that it was Salmond who leaked the original allegations of sexual impropriety to the Daily Record in August 2018. Well, even the journalist who broke the story, the Record’s political editor at the time, David Clegg, told the BBC Sunday show that this was “not credible”.'

If you're going to make shit up, at least make it plausible.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 10/08/2025 23:29

Oh I'd forgotten vertical drinking. 😂😂

That reminds me of my sister's wedding where the manager told us that we were only allowed to take our masks off if we were dancing or drinking. So she suggested we could dance to the bar to get another drink. 😂😂Crazy times.

Needspaceforlego · 10/08/2025 23:56

ApocalipstickNow · 10/08/2025 12:28

What on earth was this supposed to be for?

Increase ventilation in classrooms. Not that opening the door would be hard.
No consideration about fire and the need for fire doors.

Up there with Trump suggesting injecting bleach

Needspaceforlego · 11/08/2025 00:01

Arran2024 · 10/08/2025 16:49

I'm Scottish but live in England and when we could travel we came up to see my parents and the differences in covid rules in Scotland versus England were bizarre and confusing. My brother is am SNP diehard and every difference was a cause for celebration, a case of the Scottish government doing it better. He was on a roll, thinking that independence would surely follow now that the superiority of local decision making had been made clear. And yet....

The 4 nations having different rules was simply stupid.
I'd almost forgotten that secondary aged kids were masked up for about a year. Poor sods.

SionnachRuadh · 11/08/2025 00:09

I only met Salmond once, but I had two immediate thoughts which in retrospect were correct. The first one was, I can see why he's got loads of admirers and also loads of detractors, because he's just got immense natural charisma. Some people do.

My other thought was, I hope he's watching his diet because he looks like a heart attack waiting to happen.

Clearly the man had a massive ego but he also cut his teeth in an SNP that was highly factionalised, where lots of the party leaders couldn't stand him, and where he could only stay leader by making sure that all the factions felt they had a fair shout.

I don't remember him going in for the North Korean cult of personality. That was more a Sturgeon thing. It probably hit its peak during Covid, but before that I remember seeing SNP accounts on Twitter and thinking, the cybernats of yore could be annoying and one-note but they were all about independence, now we've got a new generation who don't seem to care much about independence but who are just Nicola Sturgeon stans.

It was a bit like the way older Greens were motivated by the environment but younger Greens are much more about queer theory.

It all seemed very brittle, especially for a party like the SNP that's a crusade for a cause or it's nothing.

I think it's telling that she left no serious successors in the next generation, and they had to rewind the clock 20 years and bring Swinney back. The only one of the younger generation with real ability is Kate Forbes, and she's leaving next year.

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