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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Nicola Sturgeon says her sexuality isn't binary

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cigarsmokingwoman · 08/08/2025 18:55

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In the sun newspaper and I think also on STV news (according to my DM)

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SionnachRuadh · 09/08/2025 19:35

Salmond was not to everyone's taste, and I could go into my reservations about him - but I'll say this, he had quite an ego on him, but what made him formidable was that he always believed there was something bigger than himself, and that's what he was in the game for.

I never got that sense from Sturgeon.

I remember a conversation I had, it must have been a dozen years ago, with one of the high heidyins in Scotgov, who said Salmond believed the best thing he could do for the cause of independence was to show that Scotland could govern itself competently.

How innocent we once were!

KassandraOfSparta · 09/08/2025 19:42

Oh god I agree, Salmond gave me the dry boak. But he was a shrewd operator and canny politician and even though I disagreed with every single thing he said, he was consistent in his aims. Sturgeon isn't a patch on him as a politician, which is why she surrounded herself with weak yes-men like Swinney and Humza Useless.

Covid was like manna from heaven for Sturgeon, it made all the nasty Salmond stuff go away, and gave her an hour each day on prime time TV to promote her policies and be "not Boris". Even the title of the odious tripe she has written is "Frankly", because the videos produced with "funny" voiceovers by Janey Godley always featured an aide called Frank who "got the door" and was in charge of the clicky pen.

KassandraOfSparta · 09/08/2025 19:45

Getting sidetracked here as this is the women's rights forum. But Isla Bryson and Mridul Wadhwa and the Gender Recognition Bill is just a tiny percentage of the damage done under Sturgeon's leadership.

SionnachRuadh · 09/08/2025 19:48

Oh for sure, do I think Salmond would have been sensitive to women's concerns? Not necessarily, but I think he'd have seen a disaster coming and managed to back out of it.

I can never figure out why Sturgeon found it impossible to u-turn. Maybe she was paranoid about seeming weak. Same reason she surrounded herself with weak men.

KassandraOfSparta · 09/08/2025 19:53

Since 2021 (?) she has needed support of the Greens in parliament and we all know how unhinged they are.

TempestTost · 10/08/2025 00:25

WhereYouLeftIt · 09/08/2025 15:21

PEDANTRY ALERT:

What does it actually mean, that her sexuality isn't binary? Or indeed, what does it mean to describe sexuality as binary?

I'm genuinely confused.

The definition of 'binary' is "relating to, composed of, or involving two things." (Yes, I looked it up.) So what does it actually mean to describe sexuality as binary? What are the two things in sexuality?

It surely can't mean two people, can it? Because then Nicola would be saying she only does threesomes or masturbation. That makes no sense.

It surely can't mean sexuality itself, because then Nicola would be saying that she's neither heterosexual nor homosexual, and that would be a weird way to announce that you're bisexual (or asexual).

So what does it actually mean - to say that your sexuality is / isn't binary?

Maybe she is like that guy who married a wall, she is attracted to potentially anything?

PlanetJanette · 10/08/2025 00:31

Oh look - 100+ posts of people declaring how profoundly uninterested they are in Nicola Sturgeon’s sexuality.

MOGHelp · 10/08/2025 00:39

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The combination of this headline with this picture almost implies some kind of krankie throuple

Nicola Sturgeon says her sexuality isn't binary
GargoylesofBeelzebub · 10/08/2025 00:55

She's trying to be down with the kids but not quite getting it right. She knows binary is not cool but got sexuality and gender identity confused. 😂

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 10/08/2025 00:56

SionnachRuadh · 09/08/2025 19:48

Oh for sure, do I think Salmond would have been sensitive to women's concerns? Not necessarily, but I think he'd have seen a disaster coming and managed to back out of it.

I can never figure out why Sturgeon found it impossible to u-turn. Maybe she was paranoid about seeming weak. Same reason she surrounded herself with weak men.

She's just one of those people that can never ever ever admit they were wrong. I know several. 🙄

SnowFrogJelly · 10/08/2025 00:59

Who cares!

Chersfrozenface · 10/08/2025 01:11

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 10/08/2025 00:55

She's trying to be down with the kids but not quite getting it right. She knows binary is not cool but got sexuality and gender identity confused. 😂

Spot on.

teksquad · 10/08/2025 01:16

wgaf!

some people are gay, nobody cares

what they care about is liars. Especially politicians and especially when 99.99% of people couldn't gaf.

ANameChangePresents · 10/08/2025 01:29

Clafoutie · 08/08/2025 19:57

Another thread where we think it’s absolutely ok to speculate on or mock someone for their sexuality because we don’t like their views 🙄

Quite the opposite. It's saying I don't give a hoot about her sexuality. I am possibly even less interested in her sexuality, because of her views making her a deeply unattractive person. If I recall, she was the one who brought the subject up. In a book, no less.

SageHoney · 10/08/2025 02:16

"My sexuality is nonbinary" is about as useful as saying "my height is nonbinary"; not necessarily true or untrue but irrelevant as the aspect you are talking about isn't and can't be measured in that way. I think she must mean that her sexual orientation is nonbinary - that is, at neither pole of the spectrum from heterosexuality to homosexuality. So bisexual, or another word that means bisexual, if she prefers. And I don't care if she was married to a man and even if she was madly in love with and completely faithful to that man, that doesn't suddenly change her sexual orientation. Nor does it if she fell in love with or had a relationship with a woman. I'm interested if she felt unable to reveal her orientation while running for office or in office, because that potentially tells us something significant and disturbing about Scottish and UK politics - but I also don't feel it's right to force her to reveal it against her will.

I don't dislike Nicola Sturgeon (in fact, I really liked her immediately after the Brexit vote, when she seems to be the only party leader in the UK or at least the most visible one talking sense) and I'd love to hear what it was like to be the first woman Leader of the SNP and the first woman FM of Scotland. But recent statements and interviews (like this one) are making me think she is not ready to be honest yet. I get it - she's still an SNP MSP at Holyrood, and she is not fully free to disagree with her party - but I think that this book is premature and I will wait until she does a real tell-all.

Itsnottheheatitsthehumidity · 10/08/2025 08:37

I was in Edinburgh a good few years ago, on holiday, and was in a pub having an Innes & Gunn Lager (I'm setting the scene) when Nicola came on the big screen telly over the football. Didn't go down well. The barmaid shouted very loudly, "Ah, fuck OFF Nicola!!" and switched it over for a couple of minutes, before switching it back. "Much better!" she hollered.

I loved that woman, at that moment.

Itsnottheheatitsthehumidity · 10/08/2025 08:51

Igneococcus · 10/08/2025 08:24

Interview by Decca Aitkenhead, complete with photo and styling session. I wonder how the people on the islands (I can see Mull from my window) feel about this puff piece:

https://www.thetimes.com/article/1fd10f59-1203-4d52-b5b9-114ecb178d4e?shareToken=a46e6cab4ce57ccaae2b533fdebbdbba

It seems only journalists and politicians care who you have relationships. The rest of us give not one fuck.

What a tiresome piece.

DrUptonsWallofSad · 10/08/2025 08:52

I'm not an SNP supporter, but I did quite respect her back in the day - it's hard to remember now! Her mistake was getting complacent, thinking the SNP (led by her) would dominate for ever - which obviously would not be the case - and leading a government and a party which was cliquey and closed and incapable of listening to dissenting voices. Having the party leader married to its chief executive was a situation which should never have been allowed to happen.

NebulousSadTimes · 10/08/2025 10:43

But recent statements and interviews (like this one) are making me think she is not ready to be honest yet. I get it - she's still an SNP MSP at Holyrood, and she is not fully free to disagree with her party - but I think that this book is premature and I will wait until she does a real tell-all.

Do you really think she will ever be honest? Even with herself?

I think she's always going to portray herself as she wants others to see her. The trouble is so many can see right through what she is trying to show, but she seems to be blind to that.

WhatterySquash · 10/08/2025 10:47

PlanetJanette · 10/08/2025 00:31

Oh look - 100+ posts of people declaring how profoundly uninterested they are in Nicola Sturgeon’s sexuality.

It’s not her sexuality that makes this interesting, it’s the nature of the “revelation” (such as it is) in the context of the woke misogynist agenda she pushed, the possibly lavender/sham marriage to her own party’s chief exec and the fact that she comes across as being disingenuous about a whole bunch of stuff.

That’s why you won’t find similar threads about Ruth Davidson, despite her being a conservative which would naturally make her less popular with Scots (and probably also on MN), most people were just supportive and happy for her regarding her personal life.

SageHoney · 10/08/2025 11:18

NebulousSadTimes · 10/08/2025 10:43

But recent statements and interviews (like this one) are making me think she is not ready to be honest yet. I get it - she's still an SNP MSP at Holyrood, and she is not fully free to disagree with her party - but I think that this book is premature and I will wait until she does a real tell-all.

Do you really think she will ever be honest? Even with herself?

I think she's always going to portray herself as she wants others to see her. The trouble is so many can see right through what she is trying to show, but she seems to be blind to that.

Honestly, no, I don't hold out much hope that she will ever be honest. But I wish she would, because I really want to explore and understand how women in power too often turn against and advocate against women's interests.

Outside of politics in everyday life, I think I often look at the pickme/handmaiden archetype and think that individual women do it to be sexually attractive to men, but we don't fully explore how it works in the public sphere including politics. I feel like "successful" women politicians are especially pressured to stand up against women's rights (and for men's desires, in cases where they broadly conflict). I'm also hopeful for a Jacinda Ardern tell-all that will probably never come.

Interesting that Alex Massie (with whom I often disagree) titles his piece "By the standard she asked to be held to, Nicola Sturgeon is a failure". I saw a thread on Scotsnet asking if people will buy/read the book, and a man someone of course showed up and did a dance about "SOOOOO strange that people HERE denigrate the most successful woman in UK politics this century". But she was NOT successful; she did not achieve Scottish independence and she did not, as she promised, stop Scotland from being "taken out of the EU against the will and without the consent of the Scottish people".

I think that women are treated differently from men in politics, and I think that Sturgeon was under a lot more pressure than Salmond or Yousaf or Swinney to prove that she was not going to demand equality for women. If there are extra social conditions on women politicians to prove they are supporting the status quo and will not demand genuine equity for women, I don't want this to translate into a cultural directive that "we don't allow women to hold top office because they'll be abused and not able to act fairly". I wish Nicola would talk honestly about her experience so we can learn from it, but I also know that she may never do so.

(edited because I can't spell)

KassandraOfSparta · 10/08/2025 11:31

Exactly. Ruth Davidson was popular not because of her politics but because of her no-nonsense personality. Nobody gave two hoots about her sexuality.

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